{"id":74992,"date":"2019-12-16T00:01:28","date_gmt":"2019-12-15T23:01:28","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/?p=74992"},"modified":"2021-02-09T14:31:40","modified_gmt":"2021-02-09T13:31:40","slug":"limites-naturaleza-y-artificio-luis-gil-pita","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/limites-naturaleza-y-artificio-luis-gil-pita\/","title":{"rendered":"[:es]L\u00edmites, naturaleza y artificio | Luis Gil [:gl]L\u00edmites, natureza e artificio | Luis Gil [:en]Limits, nature and artifice | Luis Gil [:]"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>[:es]https:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/dominio-problema-fundamental-fisico-los-fenomenos-limite-frontera-luis-gil\/<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-large wp-image-74996\" src=\"https:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/L\u00edmites-naturaleza-y-artificio-Luis-Gil-1024x421.jpg\" alt=\"L\u00edmites, naturaleza y artificio Luis Gil\" width=\"640\" height=\"263\" srcset=\"https:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/L\u00edmites-naturaleza-y-artificio-Luis-Gil-1024x421.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/L\u00edmites-naturaleza-y-artificio-Luis-Gil-300x123.jpg 300w, https:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/L\u00edmites-naturaleza-y-artificio-Luis-Gil.jpg 1200w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\" \/><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Al hablar de l\u00edmite o frontera, los vocablos de quiebra o separaci\u00f3n se a\u00f1aden instant\u00e1neamente a la conversaci\u00f3n. Un primer acercamiento a la definici\u00f3n de espacios de l\u00edmite o frontera, los acotar\u00eda como aquellas zonas de vac\u00edo u obst\u00e1culo que se conforman o estructuran como naturaleza poco o nada practicable, en la que el movimiento se ralentiza o para por la dificultad del tr\u00e1nsito. El origen de su l\u00f3gica est\u00e1 en el accidente geogr\u00e1fico que separa mundos distintos, ordenando el medio de una forma natural.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">M\u00e1s tarde, a trav\u00e9s lo cultural y pol\u00edtico, surge un nuevo sentido para lo fronterizo en el que sus caracter\u00edsticas innatas como espacio de peligro se aportan de forma artificial, bien aprovechando el accidente natural al que se a\u00f1aden normas o leyes artificiales o bien construyendo un limite ex-novo. Definir el l\u00edmite en funci\u00f3n de su procedencia natural o artificial y de los usos derivados de esta diferenciaci\u00f3n es imprescindible para poder posteriormente interpretar las diferentes formas de vida que sobre este espacio indeterminado se generan.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Los espacios fronterizos, como obst\u00e1culos a salvar o en los que sobrevivir, pueden ser por tanto naturales o artificiales, o bien naturales usados con fines artificiales, debido al enfoque pol\u00edtico introducido por el hombre. En origen y tal como antes refer\u00edamos el limite natural es el accidente geogr\u00e1fico que impide la f\u00e1cil circulaci\u00f3n de los habitantes del ecosistema, convirtiendo al r\u00edo, la monta\u00f1a o el mar en limes m\u00e1s que en frontera tal como explica <a href=\"http:\/\/www.eugeniotrias.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Eugenio Tr\u00edas<\/a>.<sup>1<\/sup><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-large wp-image-74997\" src=\"https:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/L\u00edmites-naturaleza-y-artificio-Luis-Gil-Naturaleza-971x1024.jpg\" alt=\"L\u00edmites,-naturaleza-y-artificio-Luis-Gil-Naturaleza\" width=\"640\" height=\"675\" srcset=\"https:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/L\u00edmites-naturaleza-y-artificio-Luis-Gil-Naturaleza-971x1024.jpg 971w, https:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/L\u00edmites-naturaleza-y-artificio-Luis-Gil-Naturaleza-284x300.jpg 284w, https:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/L\u00edmites-naturaleza-y-artificio-Luis-Gil-Naturaleza.jpg 1200w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\" \/><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">El concepto de frontera es por tanto posterior y derivar\u00eda entonces del limes, superponiendo el hombre a la interpretaci\u00f3n natural del l\u00edmite una adjetivizaci\u00f3n o cualidad cultural, la separaci\u00f3n como a\u00f1adido pol\u00edtico. Es una especializaci\u00f3n del concepto l\u00edmite basado en un uso artificial de lo natural. El accidente o limite natural aprovechado como frontera aporta un primer indicio sobre la delimitaci\u00f3n de los lugares a habitar, sobre los espacios a dominar.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">El uso del r\u00edo, de la loma u otro accidente geogr\u00e1fico como elemento de acotaci\u00f3n por una sociedad o grupo es el primer paso para el control y segregaci\u00f3n del territorio por medios artificiales. Desde esta perspectiva podr\u00edamos pensar en una de las m\u00e1s primitivas nociones de arquitectura, la delimitaci\u00f3n del espacio natural sobre el que se desarrolla la supervivencia individual o colectiva de los seres vivos. Marcar, se\u00f1alar y acotar las \u00e1reas y espacios usados a trav\u00e9s de se\u00f1ales propias, desde la segregaci\u00f3n de olores y humores a otras referencias m\u00e1s elaboradas hasta llegar a un grado superior de artificialidad que el hombre introduce en el territorio al construir.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Todo ello no es m\u00e1s que separar, ense\u00f1ar qu\u00e9 es lo propio y lo ajeno, lo natural a una especie y lo b\u00e1rbaro para ella, en fin delimitar. Desde la antropolog\u00eda esa delimitaci\u00f3n, esas formas de acotaci\u00f3n del espacio propio no ser\u00edan menos arquitectura que la separaci\u00f3n m\u00e1s elaborada que el hombre urbano termina por hacer entre lo p\u00fablico y lo privado, a trav\u00e9s del cerramiento entre su casa y la calle.<\/p>\n<p>Luis Gil Pita, arquitecto<br \/>\nSantiago de Compostela,\u00a0Noviembre 2019<\/p>\n<p>Notas:<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><sup>1\u00a0<\/sup>Tr\u00edas,\u00a0 Eugenio. <a href=\"https:\/\/amzn.to\/2IQ4INX\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">L\u00f3gica del l\u00edmite<\/a>, Ensayos\u00a0 destino. Edt Destino, Barcelona 1991.<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"JfVTX8AZtU\"><p><a href=\"https:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/la-frontera-mecanismo-artificial-e-inventado-luis-gil-pita\/\">La frontera, mecanismo artificial e inventado | Luis Gil<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" style=\"position: absolute; clip: rect(1px, 1px, 1px, 1px);\" title=\"\u00abLa frontera, mecanismo artificial e inventado | Luis Gil\u00bb \u2014 veredes\" src=\"https:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/la-frontera-mecanismo-artificial-e-inventado-luis-gil-pita\/embed\/#?secret=JfVTX8AZtU\" data-secret=\"JfVTX8AZtU\" width=\"600\" height=\"338\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"color: #999999;\"><em>Cap\u00edtulo del art\u00edculo Alegor\u00eda de la frontera y el l\u00edmite, publicado originalmente en la revista Obradoiro n\u00ba34, invierno de 2009.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p>[:gl]<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-large wp-image-74996\" src=\"https:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/L\u00edmites-naturaleza-y-artificio-Luis-Gil-1024x421.jpg\" alt=\"L\u00edmites, naturaleza y artificio Luis Gil\" width=\"640\" height=\"263\" srcset=\"https:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/L\u00edmites-naturaleza-y-artificio-Luis-Gil-1024x421.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/L\u00edmites-naturaleza-y-artificio-Luis-Gil-300x123.jpg 300w, https:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/L\u00edmites-naturaleza-y-artificio-Luis-Gil.jpg 1200w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\" \/><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Ao falar de l\u00edmite ou fronteira, os voc\u00e1bulos de quebra ou separaci\u00f3n eng\u00e1dense instantaneamente \u00e1 conversaci\u00f3n. Un primeiro achegamento \u00e1 definici\u00f3n de espazos de l\u00edmite ou fronteira, acoutar\u00edaos como aquelas zonas sen carga ou obst\u00e1culo que se conforman ou estruturan como natureza pouco ou nada practicable, na que o movemento se retarda ou para pola dificultade do tr\u00e1nsito. A orixe da s\u00faa l\u00f3xica est\u00e1 no accidente xeogr\u00e1fico que separa mundos distintos, ordenando o medio dunha forma natural.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">M\u00e1is tarde, a trav\u00e9s o cultural e pol\u00edtico, xorde un novo sentido para o fronteirizo no que as s\u00faas caracter\u00edsticas innatas como espazo de perigo ach\u00e9ganse de forma artificial, ben aproveitando o accidente natural ao que se engaden normas ou leis artificiais ou ben constru\u00edndo un limite ex- novo. Definir o l\u00edmite en funci\u00f3n da s\u00faa procedencia natural ou artificial e dos usos derivados desta diferenciaci\u00f3n \u00e9 imprescindible para poder posteriormente interpretar as diferentes formas de vida que sobre este espazo indeterminado x\u00e9ranse.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Os espazos fronteirizos, como obst\u00e1culos a salvar ou nos que sobrevivir, poden ser por tanto naturais ou artificiais, ou ben naturais usados con fins artificiais, debido ao enfoque pol\u00edtico introducido polo home. En orixe e tal como antes referiamos o limite natural \u00e9 o accidente xeogr\u00e1fico que impide a f\u00e1cil circulaci\u00f3n dos habitantes do ecosistema, convertendo ao r\u00edo, a monta\u00f1a ou o mar en limes m\u00e1is que en fronteira tal como explica\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.eugeniotrias.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Eugenio Tr\u00edas<\/a>.<sup>1<\/sup><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-large wp-image-74997\" src=\"https:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/L\u00edmites-naturaleza-y-artificio-Luis-Gil-Naturaleza-971x1024.jpg\" alt=\"L\u00edmites,-naturaleza-y-artificio-Luis-Gil-Naturaleza\" width=\"640\" height=\"675\" srcset=\"https:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/L\u00edmites-naturaleza-y-artificio-Luis-Gil-Naturaleza-971x1024.jpg 971w, https:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/L\u00edmites-naturaleza-y-artificio-Luis-Gil-Naturaleza-284x300.jpg 284w, https:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/L\u00edmites-naturaleza-y-artificio-Luis-Gil-Naturaleza.jpg 1200w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\" \/><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">O concepto de fronteira \u00e9 por tanto posterior e derivar\u00eda ent\u00f3n do limes, superpo\u00f1endo o home \u00e1 interpretaci\u00f3n natural do l\u00edmite unha adjetivizaci\u00f3n ou calidade cultural, a separaci\u00f3n como engadido pol\u00edtico. \u00c9 unha especializaci\u00f3n do concepto l\u00edmite baseado nun uso artificial do natural. O accidente ou limite natural aproveitado como fronteira achega un primeiro indicio sobre a delimitaci\u00f3n dos lugares para habitar, sobre os espazos para dominar.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">O uso do r\u00edo, da lomba ou outro accidente xeogr\u00e1fico como elemento de anotaci\u00f3n por unha sociedade ou grupo \u00e9 o primeiro paso para o control e segregaci\u00f3n do territorio por medios artificiais. Desde esta perspectiva poderiamos pensar nunha das m\u00e1is primitivas noci\u00f3ns de arquitectura, a delimitaci\u00f3n do espazo natural sobre o que se desenvolve a supervivencia individual ou colectiva dos seres vivos. Marcar, sinalar e acoutar as \u00e1reas e espazos usados a trav\u00e9s de sinais propios, desde a segregaci\u00f3n de cheiros e humores a outras referencias m\u00e1is elaboradas ata chegar a un grao superior de artificialidade que o home introduce no territorio ao constru\u00edr.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Todo iso non \u00e9 m\u00e1is que separar, ensinar que \u00e9 o propio e o alleo, o natural a unha especie e o b\u00e1rbaro para ela, en fin delimitar. Desde a antropolox\u00eda esa delimitaci\u00f3n, esas formas de anotaci\u00f3n do espazo propio non ser\u00edan menos arquitectura que a separaci\u00f3n m\u00e1is elaborada que o home urbano termina por facer entre o p\u00fablico e o privado, a trav\u00e9s do cerramento entre a s\u00faa casa e a r\u00faa.<\/p>\n<p>Luis Gil Pita, arquitecto<br \/>\nSantiago de Compostela,\u00a0Novembro 2019<\/p>\n<p>Notas:<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><sup>1\u00a0<\/sup>Tr\u00edas,\u00a0 Eugenio. <a href=\"https:\/\/amzn.to\/2IQ4INX\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">L\u00f3xica do l\u00edmite<\/a>, Ensaios\u00a0 destino. Edt Destino, Barcelona 1991.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"color: #999999;\"><em>Cap\u00edtulo do artigo Alegor\u00eda da fronteira e o l\u00edmite, publicado orixinalmente na revista Obradoiro n\u00ba34, inverno de 2009.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p>[:en]<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-large wp-image-74996\" src=\"https:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/L\u00edmites-naturaleza-y-artificio-Luis-Gil-1024x421.jpg\" alt=\"L\u00edmites, naturaleza y artificio Luis Gil\" width=\"640\" height=\"263\" srcset=\"https:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/L\u00edmites-naturaleza-y-artificio-Luis-Gil-1024x421.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/L\u00edmites-naturaleza-y-artificio-Luis-Gil-300x123.jpg 300w, https:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/L\u00edmites-naturaleza-y-artificio-Luis-Gil.jpg 1200w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\" \/><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">When talking about limit or border, the words of bankruptcy or separation are instantly added to the conversation. A first approach to the definition of boundary or border spaces, would limit them as those areas of emptiness or obstacle that are shaped or structured as a nature that is little or not practicable, in which the movement slows down or stops due to the difficulty of the traffic. The origin of its logic is in the geographical accident that separates different worlds, ordering the environment in a natural way.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Later, through the cultural and political, a new sense for the border arises in which its innate characteristics as a danger space are contributed artificially, taking advantage of the natural accident to which artificial norms or laws are added or building a limit ex-novo. Defining the limit based on its natural or artificial origin and the uses derived from this differentiation is essential to be able to later interpret the different life forms that are generated on this indeterminate space.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Border spaces, as obstacles to be saved or in which to survive, can therefore be natural or artificial, or natural used for artificial purposes, due to the political approach introduced by man. In origin and as we mentioned before the natural limit is the geographical accident that prevents the easy movement of the inhabitants of the ecosystem, turning the river, the mountain or the sea into limes rather than a border as explained by\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.eugeniotrias.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Eugenio Tr\u00edas<\/a>.<sup>1<\/sup><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-large wp-image-74997\" src=\"https:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/L\u00edmites-naturaleza-y-artificio-Luis-Gil-Naturaleza-971x1024.jpg\" alt=\"L\u00edmites,-naturaleza-y-artificio-Luis-Gil-Naturaleza\" width=\"640\" height=\"675\" srcset=\"https:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/L\u00edmites-naturaleza-y-artificio-Luis-Gil-Naturaleza-971x1024.jpg 971w, https:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/L\u00edmites-naturaleza-y-artificio-Luis-Gil-Naturaleza-284x300.jpg 284w, https:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/L\u00edmites-naturaleza-y-artificio-Luis-Gil-Naturaleza.jpg 1200w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\" \/><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">The concept of border is therefore later and would then derive from limes, man overlapping with the natural interpretation of the limit an adjectivization or cultural quality, separation as a political addition. It is a specialization of the limit concept based on an artificial use of the natural. The accident or natural limit used as a border provides a first indication on the delimitation of the places to inhabit, on the spaces to dominate.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">The use of the river, the hill or another geographical accident as an element of measurement by a society or group is the first step for the control and segregation of the territory by artificial means. From this perspective we could think of one of the most primitive notions of architecture, the delimitation of the natural space on which the individual or collective survival of living beings develops. Mark, mark and limit the areas and spaces used through their own signals, from the segregation of odors and moods to other more elaborate references to reach a higher degree of artificiality that man introduces into the territory when building.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">All this is nothing more than separating, teaching what is proper and alien, natural to a species and barbaric to it, in order to delimit. From the anthropology that delimitation, those forms of dimensioning of the own space would not be less architecture than the more elaborate separation that the urban man ends up doing between the public and the private, through the enclosure between his house and the street.<\/p>\n<p>Luis Gil Pita, architect<br \/>\nSantiago de Compostela,\u00a0November 2019<\/p>\n<p>Notes:<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><sup>1\u00a0<\/sup>Tr\u00edas,\u00a0 Eugenio. <a href=\"https:\/\/amzn.to\/2IQ4INX\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">L\u00f3gica del l\u00edmite<\/a>, Ensayos\u00a0 destino. Edt Destino, Barcelona 1991.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"color: #999999;\"><em>Article chapter Allegory of the border and the limit, originally published in the Obradoiro magazine n\u00ba34, winter 2009.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p>[:]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>[:es]https:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/dominio-problema-fundamental-fisico-los-fenomenos-limite-frontera-luis-gil\/ Al hablar de l\u00edmite o frontera, los vocablos de quiebra o separaci\u00f3n se a\u00f1aden instant\u00e1neamente a la conversaci\u00f3n. Un primer acercamiento a la definici\u00f3n de espacios de l\u00edmite o frontera, los acotar\u00eda como aquellas zonas de vac\u00edo u obst\u00e1culo que se conforman o estructuran como naturaleza poco o nada practicable, en la que el 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