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\"Alexander
Alexander Kluge | Fotograf\u00eda: filmcomment.com<\/a><\/span><\/figcaption><\/figure><\/p>\n

El director Alexander Kluge<\/a> ha descrito su asistencia a una conferencia del, seg\u00fan Kluge, \u00abinquieto observador cultural y arquitecto\u00bb, Rem Koolhaas<\/a>. El evento ocurri\u00f3 en la gran sala de la Universidad de Munich, donde se hab\u00edan reunido para o\u00edrle mil personas…\u00a0Koolhaas<\/a> habl\u00f3 en ingl\u00e9s, despacio, situado en un lado y lejos del micr\u00f3fono.<\/p>\n

El tema central de la disertaci\u00f3n, seg\u00fan Kluge, fue la \u00abfelicidad ciega\u00bb de la que el cine ofrece s\u00f3lo un indicio.<\/p>\n

El arquitecto dijo que los medios de comunicaci\u00f3n<\/p>\n

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\u00abson juzgados mejor usando criterios arquitect\u00f3nicos porque sus sentimientos est\u00e1n siempre buscando habitaciones, cuevas o casas en los cuales ellos pueden aparcarse a s\u00ed mismos. El tema no es el juicio del gusto de los espectadores, sino m\u00e1s su habituaci\u00f3n (de h\u00e1bito). Si por ejemplo se sienten en el hogar\u00bb.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

\"Rem
Rem Koolhaas<\/span><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n

Tras este \u00abprofundo\u00bb pensamiento arquitect\u00f3nico-cinematogr\u00e1fico, Kluge escribe que<\/p>\n

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\u00ablos oyentes se recompensaron a si mismos por sus esfuerzos por escuchar, lo que hab\u00edan logrado en condiciones dif\u00edciles, con un entusiasta aplauso\u00bb.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

Sin embargo, la reflexi\u00f3n m\u00e1s valiosa la hace el propio cineasta<\/p>\n

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\u00abalgunos de los m\u00e1s imaginativos edificios del siglo XX eran de hecho cines. No eran edificios de m\u00e1rmol, madera y piedra, sino las mismas pel\u00edculas como edificios las cuales eran el acontecimiento art\u00edstico ofreciendo la esperanza que el cine puede no s\u00f3lo satisfacer las necesidades de 1902, sino tambi\u00e9n (a pesar del fallecimiento de los cines) del siglo XXI\u00bb<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

y Kluge concluye que deber\u00edamos ser capaces de poder visualizar<\/p>\n

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\u00abinnovadores lugares de entretenimiento futuros que \u00abde alguna manera\u00bb tengan algo que hacer con la imagen en movimiento (y as\u00ed tambi\u00e9n con el sonido en movimiento)\u00bb.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

Jorge Gorostiza, Doctor arquitecto.
\nSanta Cruz de Tenerife, diciembre 2008
\nAutor del blog Arquitectura+Cine+Ciudad<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

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\"Alexander
Alexander Kluge | Fotograf\u00eda: filmcomment.com<\/a><\/span><\/figcaption><\/figure><\/p>\n

O director Alexander Kluge<\/a> describiu a s\u00faa asistencia a unha conferencia do, segundo Kluge, \u00abinquieto observador cultural e arquitecto\u00bb, Rem Koolhaas<\/a>. O evento ocorreu na gran sala da Universidade de Munich, onde se reuniron para o\u00edrlle mil persoas… Koolhaas<\/a> falou en ingl\u00e9s, amodo, situado nun lado e lonxe do micr\u00f3fono.<\/p>\n

O tema central da disertaci\u00f3n, segundo Kluge, foi a \u00abfelicidade cega\u00bb da que o cinema ofrece s\u00f3 un indicio.<\/p>\n

O arquitecto dixo que os medios de comunicaci\u00f3n<\/p>\n

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\u00abson xulgados mellor usando criterios arquitect\u00f3nicos porque os seus sentimentos est\u00e1n sempre buscando habitaci\u00f3ns, covas ou casas nos cales eles poden aparcarse a si mesmos. O tema non \u00e9 o xu\u00edzo do gusto dos espectadores, sen\u00f3n m\u00e1is o seu habituaci\u00f3n (de h\u00e1bito). Se por exemplo senten no fogar\u00bb.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

\"Rem
Rem Koolhaas<\/span><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n

Tras este \u00abprofundo\u00bb pensamento arquitect\u00f3nico-cinematogr\u00e1fico, Kluge escribe que<\/p>\n

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\u00abos o\u00edntes recompens\u00e1ronse a se mesmos polos seus esforzos por escoitar, o que lograran en condici\u00f3ns dif\u00edciles, cun entusiasta aplauso\u00bb.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

Con todo, a reflexi\u00f3n m\u00e1is valiosa faia o propio cineasta<\/p>\n

\n

\u00abalg\u00fans dos m\u00e1is imaxinativos edificios do s\u00e9culo XX eran de feito cinemas. Non eran edificios de m\u00e1rmore, madeira e pedra, sen\u00f3n as mesmas pel\u00edculas como edificios as cales eran o acontecemento art\u00edstico ofrecendo a esperanza que o cinema pode non s\u00f3 satisfacer as necesidades de 1902, sen\u00f3n tam\u00e9n (a pesar do falecemento dos cinemas) do s\u00e9culo XXI\u00bb<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

e Kluge concl\u00fae que deberiamos ser capaces de poder visualizar<\/p>\n

\n

\u00abinnovadores lugares de entretemento futuros que \u00abdalgunha maneira\u00bb te\u00f1an algo que facer coa imaxe en movemento (e as\u00ed tam\u00e9n co son en movemento)\u00bb.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

Jorge Gorostiza, Doutor arquitecto.
\nSanta Cruz de Tenerife, decembro 2008
\nAutor do blogue Arquitectura+Cine+Ciudad<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

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\"Alexander
Alexander Kluge | Photography: filmcomment.com<\/a><\/span><\/figcaption><\/figure><\/p>\n

The director Alexander Kluge<\/a> has described his assistance to a conference of, according to Kluge, \u00abanxious cultural observer and architect\u00bb, Rem Koolhaas<\/a>.. The event happened in the great room of the University of Munich, where they had met thousand persons heard him… Koolhaas<\/a> spoke in English, slow, placed in a side and far from the microphone.<\/p>\n

The central topic of the dissertation, according to Kluge, was the \u00abhappiness it blocks up\u00bb of that the cinema offers only an indication.<\/p>\n

The architect said that the mass media<\/p>\n

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\u00abthey are considered to be better using architectural criteria because his feelings are looking always for rooms, caves or houses in which they can be parked to yes same. The topic is not the judgment of the taste of the spectators, but any more his habituaci\u00f3n (of habit). If for example they feel in the home\u00bb.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

\"Rem
Rem Koolhaas<\/span><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n

After this \u00abdeep\u00bb architectural – cinematographic thought, Kluge writes that<\/p>\n

\n

\u00abthe listeners were rewarded to if same for his efforts for listening, which they had achieved in difficult conditions, with an enthusiast plaudit\u00bb.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

Nevertheless, the own filmmaker does the most valuable reflection<\/p>\n

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\u00absome of the most imaginative buildings of the 20th century were of fact cinemas. They were not buildings of marble, wood and stone, but the same movies like buildings which were the artistic event offering the hope that the cinema can not satisfy only the needs of 1902, but also (in spite of the death of the cinemas) of the 21st century\u00bb<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

and Kluge concludes that we should be capable of being able to visualize<\/p>\n

\n

\u00abinnovative future places of entertainment that \u00absomehow\u00bb have something that to do with the image in movement (and this way also with the sound in movement)\u00bb.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

Jorge Gorostiza, PhD\u00a0architect.
\nSanta Cruz de Tenerife, december 2008
\nAuthor of the blog Arquitectura+Cine+Ciudad<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

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