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Evoluci\u00f3n hist\u00f3rica del cauce del r\u00edo Mississippi, v\u00eda mapsontheweb.zoom-maps.com<\/span><\/a><\/span><\/figcaption><\/figure><\/p>\n

En 1974 Mariano Bay\u00f3n entrevista a un Alejandro de la Sota apartado de la Academia, al margen ya de la parafernalia cultural de la arquitectura, un ambiente del que se aparta voluntariamente:<\/p>\n

\n

\u201cescribir\u00e9 algo en una revista de constructores, para constructores\u201d.<\/em>1<\/sup><\/sup><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

Sin duda, el inter\u00e9s de Sota por las cuestiones disciplinares le alejan de un paisaje te\u00f3rico excitado por las publicaciones en Espa\u00f1a de los textos de Aldo Rossi o Robert Venturi y\u00a0Denise Scott Brown a principios de los 702<\/sup>. El mundo de la experimentaci\u00f3n tecnol\u00f3gica, cuya bandera ondea sin ninguna duda durante toda la modernidad<\/em>, daba paso a las atm\u00f3sferas de especulaci\u00f3n intelectual y el debate acad\u00e9mico se traslada progresivamente de la arquitectura a la ciudad, un \u00e1mbito del que Sota habla muy poco: tal vez no fuera su escala<\/em>.<\/p>\n

La entrevista de Mariano Bay\u00f3n transita c\u00f3modamente dentro de los cauces culturales propios del maestro gallego: su reciente encuentro con Jean Prouv\u00e9, su inter\u00e9s por los cat\u00e1logos comerciales o las sugerencias tecnol\u00f3gicas procedentes del mundo deportivo (desde la bota de esquiar a la c\u00e1psula de monta\u00f1a). Sin embargo, hacia el final de la entrevista, Bay\u00f3n aborda el tema espinoso de la asimilaci\u00f3n popular de la arquitectura experimental:<\/p>\n

\n

\u201cApareci\u00f3 sobre el tapete, casi sin pretenderlo, la pregunta que se hac\u00eda p\u00fablicamente Colin Rowe: \u00bfun arquitecto que apunta a la experimentaci\u00f3n continuada, puede participar del ideal de una arquitectura destinada a ser popular e inteligible<\/em>?\u201d.3<\/sup><\/sup><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

La cuesti\u00f3n no es sencilla, menos a\u00fan en 1974, planteando dos conceptos extraviados y en la pr\u00e1ctica excluyentes: experimentaci\u00f3n y ciudadan\u00eda4<\/sup><\/sup>.<\/p>\n

M\u00e1s all\u00e1 de la experimentaci\u00f3n tecnol\u00f3gica o los paisajes te\u00f3ricos a los que Sota prestaba aparentemente tan poca atenci\u00f3n5<\/sup><\/sup>, hoy la innovaci\u00f3n tiene m\u00e1s que ver con la gesti\u00f3n de procesos, flujos intangibles en mayor o menor medida ya sean \u00e9stos sociales, medioambientales, energ\u00e9ticos, econ\u00f3micos o culturales. Hablar hoy de cualquier experimentaci\u00f3n tecnol\u00f3gica, por ejemplo en la fabricaci\u00f3n digital o en la monitorizaci\u00f3n de prototipos, es hablar tambi\u00e9n de ciudadan\u00eda, territorio, energ\u00eda, comunicaci\u00f3n, recursos o residuos6<\/sup>. \u00bfSe puede dejar de pensar la arquitectura en t\u00e9rminos de escalas diferentes y desconectadas (el objeto, el edificio, la ciudad, el territorio, el planeta) y re-comenzar la consideraci\u00f3n de todas las escalas a la vez? \u00bfSe puede establecer una metodolog\u00eda inter-escalar para el proyecto de arquitectura? Utop\u00eda o interescalaridad<\/em>.<\/p>\n

Miguel \u00c1ngel D\u00edaz Camacho. Doctor Arquitecto
\nMadrid. Septiembre 2014. Autor de Parr\u00e1fos de arquitectura<\/em>. #arquiParrafos<\/a><\/p>\n

Notas:
\n1<\/sup><\/sup> Alejandro de la Sota en \u201cConversaci\u00f3n con Alejandro de la Sota desde su propio arresto domiciliario\u201d, por Mariano Bay\u00f3n, ARQUITECTURAS BIS n\u00baI, mayo 1974, p\u00e1gs 25-27.
\n2<\/sup><\/sup> La primera edici\u00f3n en Espa\u00f1a de (por ejemplo) Complejidad y Contradicci\u00f3n en la Arquitectura<\/em><\/a>, Robert Venturi y Dennis Scott Brown, 1966, se produce en 1972, Barcelona, editorial Gustavo Gili.
\n3<\/sup><\/sup> Mariano Bay\u00f3n, \u201cConversaci\u00f3n con Alejandro de la Sota desde su propio arresto domiciliario\u201d, ARQUITECTURAS BIS n\u00baI, mayo 1974, p\u00e1gs. 25-27.
\n4<\/sup><\/sup> La desafecci\u00f3n del Movimiento Moderno por el proyecto urbano o la historia<\/em> de la ciudad fue tratada a\u00f1os m\u00e1s tarde por Aldo Rossi en \u201cLa Ciudad An\u00e1loga<\/a>\u201d, Bienal de Venecia 1976, o Colin Rowe en \u201cCollage City<\/a>\u201d, MIT Press, Boston, 1984.
\n5<\/sup><\/sup> Transferencias<\/em> que por cierto ahondaron a\u00fan m\u00e1s si cabe en la brecha entre arquitectura y sociedad. Ver \u201cTransferencias\u201d por Brijuni <\/a>en Collage Conceptual<\/a>, Recolectores Urbanos, Sevilla, 2014, p\u00e1gs. 69-72. Editado por ASA<\/a>.
\n7<\/sup><\/sup> Ver Ecolog\u00eda e Industrializaci\u00f3n<\/a>. Blog<\/a> de la Fundaci\u00f3n Arqu\u00eda.<\/p>\n

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\"\"<\/a>
Historical evolution of the riverbed of the river Mississippi, source\u00a0mapsontheweb.zoom-maps.com<\/span><\/a><\/span><\/figcaption><\/figure><\/p>\n

In 1974 Mariano Bay\u00f3n interviews an Alejandro of the Jack isolated from the Academy, the margin already of the cultural paraphernalia of the architecture, an environment of the one that is separated voluntarily:<\/p>\n

\n

\u201cI will write something in a builders’ magazine, for builders\u201d <\/em>1<\/sup><\/sup>.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

Undoubtedly, the interest of Jack for the questions you will discipline they remove him from a theoretical landscape excited by the publications in Spain of the texts of Aldo Rossi or Robert Venturi and\u00a0Denise Scott Brown at the beginning of the 702<\/sup>. The world of the technological experimentation, which flag undulates without any doubt during all the modernity<\/em>, was giving step to the atmospheres of intellectual speculation and the academic debate moves progressively from the architecture to the city, an area about which Jack speaks very little: maybe it was not his scale<\/em>.<\/p>\n

Mariano Bay\u00f3n’s interview travels comfortably inside the cultural own riverbeds of the Galician teacher: his recent meeting with Jean Prouv\u00e9, his interest for the commercial catalogues or the technological suggestions proceeding from the sports world (from the boot of skiing to the capsule of mountain). Nevertheless, towards the end of the interview, Bay\u00f3n approaches the thorny topic of the popular assimilation of the experimental architecture:<\/p>\n

\n

\u201cIt appeared on the rug, almost without claiming it, the question that Colin Rowe was doing to himself publicly: can an architect who points at the continued experimentation, take part of the ideal one of an architecture destined to be popular and intelligible<\/em>?\u201d3<\/sup><\/sup>.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

The question is not simple, less still in 1974, raising two missed concepts and in the practice exclusive: experimentation and citizenship4<\/sup><\/sup>.<\/p>\n

Beyond the technological experimentation or the theoretical landscapes to which Sota was giving seemingly so few attention5<\/sup><\/sup>, today the innovation has more that to see with the management of processes, intangible flows in major or minor measure already are social, environmental, energetic, economic or cultural these. Speaking today about any technological experimentation, for example in the digital manufacture or in the monitoring prototype, it is to speak also about citizenship, territory, energy, communication, resources or residues6<\/sup>. Is it possible to stop thinking the architecture about terms of scales different and disconnected (the object, the building, the city, the territory, the planet) and restart the consideration of all the scales simultaneously? Is it possible to establish a methodology inter-climb for the project of architecture? Utopia or interescale<\/em>.<\/p>\n

Miguel \u00c1ngel D\u00edaz Camacho. Doctor Architect<\/p>\n

Madrid. September 2014. Author of Parr\u00e1fos de arquitectura<\/em>. #arquiParrafos<\/a><\/p>\n

Notes:<\/p>\n

1<\/sup><\/sup> Alejandro de la Sota in \u201cConversation with Alejandro de la Sota from his own domiciliary arrest\u201d, for Mariano Bay\u00f3n, ARQUITECTURAS BIS n\u00baI, May, 1974, p\u00e1gs 25-27.<\/p>\n

2<\/sup><\/sup> The first edition in Spain of (for example) Complexity and Contradiction in the Architecture<\/em><\/a>, Robert Venturi and Dennis Scott Brown, 1966, produces to himself in 1972, Barcelona, publishing house Gustavo Gili.<\/p>\n

3<\/sup><\/sup> Mariano Bay\u00f3n, \u201cConversation with Alejandro de la Sota from his own domiciliary arrest\u201d, ARQUITECTURAS BIS n\u00baI, mayo 1974, p\u00e1gs. 25-27.<\/p>\n

4<\/sup><\/sup>\u00a0The indifference of the Modern Movement for the urban project or the history of the city was treated years later by Aldo Rossi in \u201cLa Ciudad An\u00e1loga<\/a>\u201d,\u00a0Biennial show of Venice 1976, or Colin Rowe \u201cCollage City<\/a>\u201d, MIT Press, Boston, 1984.<\/p>\n

5<\/sup><\/sup>\u00a0Transfers<\/em> that certainly went deeply furthermore if it fits in the gap between architecture and company. To see \u201cTransfers\u201d by Brijuni <\/a>in Collage Conceptual<\/a>, Recolectores Urbanos, Sevilla, 2014, pages. 69-72. Published by ASA<\/a>.<\/p>\n

7<\/sup><\/sup> See Ecolog\u00eda e Industrializaci\u00f3n<\/a>. Blog<\/a> of the Fundaci\u00f3n Arqu\u00eda.<\/p>\n

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Evoluci\u00f3n hist\u00f3rica da canle do r\u00edo Mississippi, fonte mapsontheweb.zoom-maps.com<\/span><\/a><\/span><\/figcaption><\/figure><\/p>\n

En 1974 Mariano Bay\u00f3n entrevista a un Alejandro da Sota apartado da Academia, \u00e1 marxe xa da parafernalia cultural da arquitectura, un ambiente do que se aparta voluntariamente:<\/p>\n

\n

\u201cescribirei algo nunha revista de constructores, para constructores\u201d <\/em>1<\/sup><\/sup>.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

Sen d\u00fabida, o interese de Sota polas cuesti\u00f3ns disciplinares af\u00e1stanlle dunha paisaxe te\u00f3rica excitado polas publicaci\u00f3ns en Espa\u00f1a dos textos de Aldo Rossi ou Robert Venturi e Denise Scott Brown a principios dos 702<\/sup>. O mundo da experimentaci\u00f3n tecnol\u00f3xica, cuxa bandeira ondea sen ningunha d\u00fabida durante toda a modernidade<\/em>, daba paso \u00e1s atmosferas de especulaci\u00f3n intelectual e o debate acad\u00e9mico trasl\u00e1dase progresivamente da arquitectura \u00e1 cidade, un \u00e1mbito do que Sota fala moi pouco: talvez non fose a s\u00faa escala.<\/em><\/p>\n

A entrevista de Mariano Bay\u00f3n transita c\u00f3modamente dentro das canles culturais propios do mestre galego: o seu recente encontro con Jean Prouv\u00e9, o seu interese polos cat\u00e1logos comerciais ou as suxesti\u00f3ns tecnol\u00f3xicas procedentes do mundo deportivo (desde a bota de esquiar \u00e1 c\u00e1psula de monta\u00f1a). Con todo, cara ao final da entrevista, Bay\u00f3n aborda o tema espi\u00f1ento da asimilaci\u00f3n popular da arquitectura experimental:<\/p>\n

\n

\u201cApareceu sobre o tapete, case sen pretendelo, a pregunta que se fac\u00eda p\u00fablicamente Colin Rowe: \u00bfun arquitecto que apunta \u00e1 experimentaci\u00f3n continuada, pode participar do ideal dunha arquitectura destinada a ser popular e inteligible?<\/em>\u201d3<\/sup><\/sup>.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

A cuesti\u00f3n non \u00e9 sinxela, menos a\u00ednda en 1974, suscitando dous conceptos extraviados e na pr\u00e1ctica exclu\u00edntes: experimentaci\u00f3n e cidadan\u00eda4<\/sup><\/sup>.<\/p>\n

M\u00e1is al\u00f3 da experimentaci\u00f3n tecnol\u00f3xica ou as paisaxes te\u00f3ricas aos que Sota prestaba aparentemente tan pouca atenci\u00f3n5<\/sup><\/sup>, hoxe a innovaci\u00f3n ten m\u00e1is que ver coa xesti\u00f3n de procesos, fluxos intangibles en maior ou menor medida xa sexan estes sociais, medioambientales, energ\u00e9ticos, econ\u00f3micos ou culturais. Falar hoxe de calquera experimentaci\u00f3n tecnol\u00f3xica, por exemplo na fabricaci\u00f3n digital ou na monitorizaci\u00f3n de prototipos, \u00e9 falar tam\u00e9n de cidadan\u00eda, territorio, enerx\u00eda, comunicaci\u00f3n, recursos ou residuos6<\/sup>. \u00bfP\u00f3dese deixar de pensar a arquitectura en t\u00e9rminos de escalas diferentes e desconectadas (o obxecto, o edificio, a cidade, o territorio, o planeta) e re-comezar a consideraci\u00f3n de todas as escalas \u00e1 vez? \u00bfP\u00f3dese establecer unha metodolox\u00eda inter-escalar para o proxecto de arquitectura? Utop\u00eda ou interescalaridad.<\/em><\/p>\n

Miguel \u00c1ngel D\u00edaz Camacho. Doutor Arquitecto<\/p>\n

Madrid. Setembro 2014. Autor de Parr\u00e1fos de arquitectura<\/em>. #arquiParrafos<\/a><\/p>\n

Notas:<\/p>\n

1<\/sup><\/sup> Alejandro de la Sota en \u201cConversa con Alejandro de la Sota dende o seu propio arresto domiciliario\u201d, por Mariano Bay\u00f3n, ARQUITECTURAS BIS n\u00baI, maio 1974, p\u00e1xs 25-27.<\/p>\n

2<\/sup><\/sup> A primeira edici\u00f3n en Espa\u00f1a de (por exemplo) Complexdade e Contradicci\u00f3n na Arquitectura<\/em><\/a>, Robert Venturi e Dennis Scott Brown, 1966, prod\u00facese en 1972, Barcelona, editorial Gustavo Gili.<\/p>\n

3<\/sup><\/sup> Mariano Bay\u00f3n, \u201cConversa con Alejandro de la Sota dende o seu propio arresto domiciliario\u201d, ARQUITECTURAS BIS n\u00baI, maio 1974, p\u00e1xs. 25-27.<\/p>\n

4<\/sup><\/sup> A desafecci\u00f3n del Movemento Moderno polo proxecto urbano ou a historia<\/em> da cidade foi tratada anos m\u00e1is tarde por Aldo Rossi en \u201cA Cidade An\u00e1loga<\/a>\u201d, Bienal de Venecia 1976, ou Colin Rowe en \u201cCollage City<\/a>\u201d, MIT Press, Boston, 1984.<\/p>\n

5<\/sup><\/sup> Transferencias<\/em> que por certo ahondaron a\u00ednda m\u00e1is se cabe na brecha entre arquitectura e sociedade. Ver \u201cTransferencias\u201d por Brijuni <\/a>en Collage Conceptual<\/a>, Recolectores Urbanos, Sevilla, 2014, p\u00e1gs. 69-72. Editado por ASA<\/a>.<\/p>\n

7<\/sup><\/sup> Ver Ecolog\u00eda e Industrializaci\u00f3n<\/a>. Blogue<\/a> da Fundaci\u00f3n Arqu\u00eda.[:]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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