{"id":39270,"date":"2014-03-24T06:10:46","date_gmt":"2014-03-24T05:10:46","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/?p=39270"},"modified":"2018-04-23T17:17:02","modified_gmt":"2018-04-23T15:17:02","slug":"espana-universidades-malas-y-titulados-buenos-anton-capitel","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/espana-universidades-malas-y-titulados-buenos-anton-capitel\/","title":{"rendered":"<!--:es-->Espa\u00f1a: \u00bfuniversidades malas y titulados buenos? | Ant\u00f3n Capitel<!--:--><!--:gl-->Espa\u00f1a: \u00bfuniversidades malas e titulados bos? | Ant\u00f3n Capitel<!--:--><!--:en-->Spain: bad universities and good graduates? | Ant\u00f3n Capitel<!--:-->"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><!--:es--><figure id=\"attachment_39273\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-39273\" style=\"width: 620px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><a href=\"http:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/03\/600974_salamanca_manuscritos_incunables_s.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\" wp-image-39273\" title=\"600974_salamanca_manuscritos_incunables_s\" src=\"http:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/03\/600974_salamanca_manuscritos_incunables_s.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"620\" height=\"560\" srcset=\"https:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/03\/600974_salamanca_manuscritos_incunables_s.jpg 550w, https:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/03\/600974_salamanca_manuscritos_incunables_s-300x271.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 620px) 100vw, 620px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-39273\" class=\"wp-caption-text\"><span style=\"color: #888888;\">Manuscritos e incunables, Universidad de Salamanca | cervantesvirtual.com<\/span><\/figcaption><\/figure><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Ahora, cuando tantos titulados universitarios espa\u00f1oles se van a trabajar fuera porque no tienen otro remedio, nos llegan noticias abundantes de que son bien, incluso muy bien, aceptados, por su alta formaci\u00f3n y eficacia. Estas son, al menos, mis noticias, en t\u00e9rminos generales. Los licenciados universitarios espa\u00f1oles son considerados fuera como bien preparados y son aceptados bien en puestos de trabajo.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Ahora, bien, \u00bfc\u00f3mo se casa esto con las noticias, tan caras a la prensa espa\u00f1ola, de que nuestras universidades son malas, ocupando en rankings internacionales puestos muy bajos? \u00bfSon malas las universidades, pero buenos los licenciados? \u00bfNo ser\u00e1 lo contrario? Si son buenos los licenciados \u00bfno son buenas las universidades? No otra prueba de fuego que \u00e9sta.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Espa\u00f1a, como otros pa\u00edses latinos (Portugal, Italia,&#8230;) ha hecho en buena medida una gran revoluci\u00f3n social por medio de las universidades. Nuestros pa\u00edses, econ\u00f3micamente malos, han multiplicado, sin embargo, el conocimiento, y han hecho que las clases dirigentes (esto es, los que ocupan la administraci\u00f3n, la empresa, las instituciones) sean hoy en bastante medida procedentes de la clase media, media-baja y hasta baja. En esto, Espa\u00f1a al menos, ha cambiado por completo. Tener muchos universitarios no ser\u00e1 ni econ\u00f3mico ni funcional, pero eleva la cultura y el saber de los ciudadanos y revoluciona la composici\u00f3n de la sociedad.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Distintos son los pa\u00edses n\u00f3rdicos, los germanos y los anglosajones, donde, al contrario de lo que se dice, se ha frenado el acceso de los ciudadanos a la universidad y, as\u00ed, al alto conocimiento. En los pa\u00edses n\u00f3rdicos el freno es una estricta selectividad, con \u00abnumerus clausus\u00bb muy apretados. En Alemania es una cosa mixta, selectividad y dinero. En Estados Unidos e Inglaterra, m\u00e1s sencillo: el dinero como selecci\u00f3n principal. Lo cierto es que los pa\u00edses occidentales y n\u00f3rdicos,tan narcisistas y tan prestigiados, han puesto una dura bota contra la cara de las clases medias, medias-bajas y bajas, oblig\u00e1ndoles a permanecer en su origen social y permitiendo que s\u00f3lo los ricos (muchos de ellos en buena medida ladrones) purifiquen con la universidad sus a menudo inconfesables or\u00edgenes.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Tenemos muchos universitarios, nos valen de poco. Pero, por fortuna, pueden emigar a pa\u00edses que, como Inglaterra o Alemania, no producen suficientes m\u00e9dicos o ingenieros y tienen que ped\u00edrselos a los pa\u00edses PIGS, esto es a Espa\u00f1a, Portugal, Italia y Grecia, que son pa\u00edses corruptos y pobres, pero, mire usted, no tan malos en el conocimiento. Los llamados pa\u00edses buenos tienen mal organizadas las Universidades y no tienen titulados suficientes: esto es, tienen dinero e industria, pero, en realidad, muy poco conocimiento. S\u00f3lo saben aquello con lo que pueden vender.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Continuaremos siendo pa\u00edses malos, seguro. Pero contribuiremos enormemente a la mejora del conocimiento en el mundo. Soy arquitecto y por eso s\u00e9 que en el mundo, en general, mejorar\u00e1 mucho la arquitectura, porque ir\u00e1n (han ido) a trabajar fuera muchos j\u00f3venes arquitectos espa\u00f1oles.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Los licenciados espa\u00f1oles son muy buenos y muy bien aceptados. Porque las Universidades espa\u00f1olas son buenas y eficientes. Han sabido educar bien a masas populares. Quiz\u00e1 esto sirva para poco, pero as\u00ed es.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Antonio Gonz\u00e1lez-Capitel Mart\u00ednez \u00b7 Doctor arquitecto \u00b7 catedr\u00e1tico en ETSAM<br \/>\nMadrid \u00b7 julio 2013<\/p>\n<p><!--:--><!--:en--><figure id=\"attachment_39273\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-39273\" style=\"width: 620px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><a href=\"http:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/03\/600974_salamanca_manuscritos_incunables_s.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\" wp-image-39273\" title=\"600974_salamanca_manuscritos_incunables_s\" src=\"http:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/03\/600974_salamanca_manuscritos_incunables_s.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"620\" height=\"560\" srcset=\"https:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/03\/600974_salamanca_manuscritos_incunables_s.jpg 550w, https:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/03\/600974_salamanca_manuscritos_incunables_s-300x271.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 620px) 100vw, 620px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-39273\" class=\"wp-caption-text\"><span style=\"color: #888888;\">Manuscripts and incunabulums, University of Salamanca | cervantesvirtual.com<\/span><\/figcaption><\/figure><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Now, when so many university Spanish graduates they are going to work out because they do not have another remedy, abundant news comes to us from that are well, even very well, accepted, for his high formation and efficiency. These are, at least, my news, in general terms. The university Spanish licentiates are considered to be out a good prepared and are accepted well in working places.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Now, well, how does one marry this with the news, so expensive to the Spanish press, of which our universities are bad, occupying in international rankings put very low? Are universities bad, but good the licentiates? Will not it be the opposite? If the licentiates are good are not universities good? Not another acid test that this one.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Spain, as other Latin countries (Portugal, Italy&#8230;) it has done mostly a great social revolution by means of the universities. Our countries, economically bad, have multiplied, nevertheless, the knowledge, and have done that the leader classes (this is, which occupy the administration, the company, the institutions) are today in measured enough proceeding from the middle class, average &#8211; fall and up to fall. In this, Spain at least, it has changed completely. Have many university students it will be neither economic nor functional, but the culture raises and to know of the citizens and revolutionizes the composition of the company.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Different they are the northern countries, the German ones and the Anglo-Saxons, where, unlike what it is said, there has been stopped the access of the citizens to the university and, this way, to the high knowledge. In the northern countries the brake is a strict selectivity, with \u00bb numerus clausus \u00bb very tight. In Germany it is a mixed thing, selectivity and money. In The United States and England, simpler: the money like principal selection. The certain thing is that the western and northern countries, so narcissists and so prestigious, have put a hard boot against the face of the middle classes, averages &#8211; falls and falls, forcing them to remain in his social origin and allowing that only the rich ones (many of them mostly thieves) purify with the university his often unmentionable origins.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">We have many university students, they cost us of little. But, for fortune, they can emigar to countries that, as England or Germany, sufficient doctors or engineers do not produce and have that to ask for them him to the countries PIGS, this is to Spain, Portugal, Italy and Greece, which they are corrupt and poor countries, but, looks you, not so bad in the knowledge. The so called good countries have badly the Universities organized and do not have sufficient graduates: this is, they have money and industry, but, actually, very little knowledge. Only they know that one with what they can sell.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">We will continue being bad countries, insurance. But we will contribute enormously to the improvement of the knowledge in the world. I am an architect and because of it I know that in the world, in general, it will improve very much the architecture, because they will go (many young Spanish architects have been going) to work out.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">The Spanish licentiates are very good and very well accepted. Because the Spanish Universities are good and efficient. They have could educate well to popular masses. Probably this serves for little, but like that it is.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Antonio Gonz\u00e1lez-Capitel Mart\u00ednez \u00b7 Doctor arquitecto \u00b7 professor in ETSAM<\/p>\n<p>Madrid \u00b7 july 2013<\/p>\n<p><!--:--><!--:gl--><figure id=\"attachment_39273\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-39273\" style=\"width: 620px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><a href=\"http:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/03\/600974_salamanca_manuscritos_incunables_s.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\" wp-image-39273\" title=\"600974_salamanca_manuscritos_incunables_s\" src=\"http:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/03\/600974_salamanca_manuscritos_incunables_s.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"620\" height=\"560\" srcset=\"https:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/03\/600974_salamanca_manuscritos_incunables_s.jpg 550w, https:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/03\/600974_salamanca_manuscritos_incunables_s-300x271.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 620px) 100vw, 620px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-39273\" class=\"wp-caption-text\"><span style=\"color: #888888;\">Manuscritos e incunables, Universidade de Salamanca | cervantesvirtual.com<\/span><\/figcaption><\/figure><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Agora, cando tantos titulados universitarios espa\u00f1ois se van traballar f\u00f3ra porque non te\u00f1en outro remedio, ch\u00e9gannos noticias abundantes de que son ben, mesmo moi ben, aceptados, pola s\u00faa alta formaci\u00f3n e eficacia. Estas son, polo menos, as mi\u00f1as noticias, en termos xerais. Os licenciados universitarios espa\u00f1ois son considerados f\u00f3ra como ben preparados e son aceptados ben en postos de traballo.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Agora, ben, \u00bfcomo se casa isto coas noticias, tan caras \u00e1 prensa espa\u00f1ola, de que as nosas universidades son malas, ocupando en rankings internacionais postos moi baixos? \u00bfSon malas as universidades, pero bos os licenciados? \u00bfNon ser\u00e1 o contrario? \u00bfSe son bos os licenciados non son boas as universidades? Non outra proba de lume que esta.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Espa\u00f1a, como outros pa\u00edses latinos (Portugal, Italia&#8230;) fixo en boa medida unha gran revoluci\u00f3n social por medio das universidades. Os nosos pa\u00edses, economicamente malos, multiplicaron, non obstante, o co\u00f1ecemento, e fixeron que as clases dirixentes (isto \u00e9, os que ocupan a administraci\u00f3n, a empresa, as instituci\u00f3ns) sexan hoxe en bastante medida procedentes da clase media, media-baixa e ata baixa. Nisto, Espa\u00f1a polo menos, cambiou por completo. Ter moitos universitarios non ser\u00e1 nin econ\u00f3mico nin funcional, pero eleva a cultura e o saber dos cidad\u00e1ns e revoluciona a composici\u00f3n da sociedade.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Distintos son os pa\u00edses n\u00f3rdicos, os xermanos e os anglosaxons, onde, ao contrario do que se di, se freou o acceso dos cidad\u00e1ns \u00e1 universidade e, as\u00ed, ao alto co\u00f1ecemento. Nos pa\u00edses n\u00f3rdicos o freo \u00e9 unha estrita selectividade, con \u00abnumerus clausus\u00bb moi apertados. En Alema\u00f1a \u00e9 unha cousa mixta, selectividade e di\u00f1eiro. En Estados Unidos e Inglaterra, m\u00e1is sinxelo: o di\u00f1eiro como selecci\u00f3n principal. O certo \u00e9 que os pa\u00edses occidentais e n\u00f3rdicos,tan narcisistas e tan prestigiados, puxeron unha dura bota contra a cara das clases medias, medias-baixas e baixas, obrig\u00e1ndoos a permanecer na s\u00faa orixe social e permitindo que s\u00f3 os ricos (moitos deles en boa medida ladr\u00f3ns) purifiquen coa universidade os seus a mi\u00fado inconfesables orixes.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Temos moitos universitarios, v\u00e1lennos de pouco. Pero por fortuna, poden emigar a pa\u00edses que, como Inglaterra ou Alema\u00f1a, non producen suficientes m\u00e9dicos ou enxe\u00f1eiros e te\u00f1en que ped\u00edrllelos aos pa\u00edses PIGS, isto \u00e9 a Espa\u00f1a, Portugal, Italia e Grecia, que son pa\u00edses corruptos e pobres, pero, mire vostede, non tan malos no co\u00f1ecemento. Os chamados pa\u00edses bos te\u00f1en mal organizadas as Universidades e non te\u00f1en titulados abondo: isto \u00e9, te\u00f1en di\u00f1eiro e industria, pero, en realidade, moi pouco co\u00f1ecemento. S\u00f3 saben aquilo co que poden vender.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Continuaremos sendo pa\u00edses malos, seguro. Pero contribuiremos enormemente \u00e1 mellora do co\u00f1ecemento no mundo. Son arquitecto e por iso sei que no mundo, en xeral, mellorar\u00e1 moito a arquitectura, porque ir\u00e1n (foron) a traballar f\u00f3ra moitos novos arquitectos espa\u00f1ois.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Os licenciados espa\u00f1ois son moi bos e moi ben aceptados. Porque as Universidades espa\u00f1olas son boas e eficientes. Souberon educar ben masas populares. Quizais isto sirva para pouco, pero as\u00ed \u00e9.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Antonio Gonz\u00e1lez-Capitel Mart\u00ednez \u00b7 Doutor arquitecto \u00b7 catedr\u00e1tico en ETSAM<\/p>\n<p>Madrid \u00b7 xullo 2013<\/p>\n<p><!--:--><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Ahora, cuando tantos titulados universitarios espa\u00f1oles se van a trabajar fuera porque no tienen otro remedio, nos llegan noticias abundantes de que son bien, incluso muy bien, aceptados, por su alta formaci\u00f3n y eficacia. Estas son, al menos, mis noticias, en t\u00e9rminos generales. Los licenciados universitarios espa\u00f1oles son considerados fuera como bien preparados y son [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":9,"featured_media":39273,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[568,5951],"tags":[2119,5835,362,393,399,447,458,1862,2964,8094,521,1787,2239,9109,5271,1147,2365,1241,1321],"class_list":["post-39270","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","category-faro","category-slider-principal","tag-analisis","tag-antonio-gonzalez-capitel-martinez","tag-conocimiento","tag-critica","tag-cultura","tag-economia","tag-educacion","tag-eficiencia","tag-emigrar","tag-espana","tag-europa","tag-funcion","tag-funcionalidad","tag-origen","tag-reconocimiento","tag-seleccion","tag-sociedad","tag-universidad"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v27.7 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/product\/yoast-seo-wordpress\/ -->\n<title>Espa\u00f1a: \u00bfuniversidades malas y titulados buenos? 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