{"id":35882,"date":"2014-01-06T06:04:05","date_gmt":"2014-01-06T06:04:05","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/?p=35882"},"modified":"2022-02-14T22:22:49","modified_gmt":"2022-02-14T21:22:49","slug":"que-acabado-te-pongo-pedro-hernandez","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/que-acabado-te-pongo-pedro-hernandez\/","title":{"rendered":"[:es]\u00bfQu\u00e9 acabado te pongo? | Pedro Hern\u00e1ndez[:gl]\u00bfQue acabado che po\u00f1o? | Pedro Hern\u00e1ndez[:en]What do I put you finish? | Pedro Hern\u00e1ndez[:]"},"content":{"rendered":"

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Fotograf\u00eda: Lucy Nieto<\/span><\/figcaption><\/figure><\/p>\n

Recientemente en el blog de La Ciudad Viva han aparecido un par de post que me han dado que pensar y quer\u00eda transmitir un intento de relaci\u00f3n de conceptos que me han aparecido.<\/p>\n

Todo empieza con la entrevista de Stepien y Barno a Alejandro Aravena, donde preguntan:<\/p>\n

\n

Pregunta: Est\u00e1 claro que el modelo Elemental funciona excelentemente en Am\u00e9rica Latina \u00bfCrees que se podr\u00eda trasladar tambi\u00e9n a Europa? \u00bfQu\u00e9 cuestiones se deber\u00edan tener en cuenta?
\n<\/em><\/p>\n

Respuesta: Mi respuesta es \u201cs\u00ed\u201d, la intuici\u00f3n me dice que es posible, pero habr\u00eda que estudiar \u201cc\u00f3mo\u201d.<\/strong> Adem\u00e1s, en vez de concretarlo como una metodolog\u00eda en abstracto, la verdadera respuesta va a venir despu\u00e9s de haber realizado un caso concreto.
\nDe hecho, estamos desarrollando ahora un proyecto en Portugal y la respuesta va a venir despu\u00e9s de haberlo realizado.En el caso de Elemental, no sab\u00edamos a priori, que en lugar de hacer una casa barata, era necesario hacer la mitad de una casa buena. Resolviendo el caso de Portugal, damos respuesta a situaciones parecidas en otras ciudades europeas. A trav\u00e9s de este proyecto, estamos intentando solucionar un nproblema al que no llega ninguna pol\u00edtica p\u00fablica en este momento.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

Tengo la suerte de haber vivido un intercambio como estudiante en Chile y de haber asistido a una de las conferencias de A. Aravena donde explicaba el proyecto ELEMENTAL.<\/p>\n

Curiosamente es la misma pregunta que yo me hice en su momento, pero que no pude hacer en ese momento. Mi conclusi\u00f3n particular es curiosamente que no es trasladable, o, corrigi\u00e9ndome, no de manera directa.<\/p>\n

Y me explico. En el contexto de Chile se da la particularidad que cuestiones como la autoconstrucci\u00f3n en esa sociedad est\u00e1 a la orden del d\u00eda (especialmente en el sector de poblaci\u00f3n al que va dirigido proyectos como el de Iquique). En ese contexto, la arquitectura pasa por eliminar lo superfluo y ofrecer una buena cimentaci\u00f3n<\/strong>. Esto es, m\u00e1s que construir una casa barata, se construye con las posibilidades econ\u00f3micas de las que se dispone aquello que en el futuro permita la revalorarizaci\u00f3n econ\u00f3mica de la construcci\u00f3n. Como an\u00e9cdota, recuerdo como Aravena hablaba que con una misma superficie en un ba\u00f1o y con solo una determinada colocaci\u00f3n de las instalaciones, el usuario podr\u00eda cambiar una ducha por una ba\u00f1era, sin con ello hacer grandes esfuerzos econ\u00f3micos.<\/p>\n

Por este motivo las edificaciones de elemental aparecen sin acabados interiores y sin completar en su totalidad con la expectativa de que sea el propio usuario quien termine la construcci\u00f3n a lo largo de los a\u00f1os.<\/p>\n

Sin embargo, si pensamos en la vivienda social dentro del contexto espa\u00f1ol (o europeo) todo cambia: para empezar el sector de poblaci\u00f3n al que va dirigido (sectores muy concretos como ancianos o j\u00f3venes en alquiler), la tipolog\u00eda, desaparecen los temas de autoconstrucci\u00f3n, etc.<\/p>\n

E incluso se pude decir que lo que se busca en el mercado son, en contraposici\u00f3n al caso chileno, unos \u201cbuenos\u201d acabados\u201d<\/strong> (o acaso no es lo \u00fanico que una inmobiliaria deja elegir a sus futuros propietarios).<\/p>\n

\u00bfHacia d\u00f3nde puede dirigirse entonces la vivienda? Siguiendo otro post de La Ciudad Viva<\/em> (Open Building en el s.XXI de Israel Nagore), una soluci\u00f3n puede pasar por el desarrollo de una industrializaci\u00f3n de los componentes del edificio que otorguen flexibilidad a la construcci\u00f3n y a posibles reformas posteriores.La idea no es mala siempre y cuando se superen un par de t\u00f3picos.<\/p>\n

Primero. \u00bfCu\u00e1ntas veces hemos o\u00eddo las cr\u00edticas a sistemas como el carton-yeso porque \u201csuena hueco\u201d<\/strong>? Existe una tendencia generalizada de que ciertos sistemas prefabricados son incapaces de competir con los de obra h\u00fameda, y si no recuerden el famoso eslogan de \u201cparedes de ladrillo, paredes de verdad\u201d<\/a><\/strong>.<\/p>\n

Segundo. \u00bfCu\u00e1nto decide el usuario antes de la compra de la vivienda? Es importante eliminar tambi\u00e9n que la vivienda colectiva es algo que solo se compra y los usuarios no deciden nada sobre ella (excepto los ya mencionados acabados). Jorge Toledo (@eldelacajita<\/a>) en su PFC creaba un vivero de inciativas arquitect\u00f3nicas<\/a><\/strong> que ten\u00eda como objeto repensar el modelo de gesti\u00f3n-producci\u00f3n de la vivienda privada.<\/p>\n

En su texto Propuestas para una arquitectura 2.0<\/a>, Jorge comenta que uno de los puntos fundamentales pasa a ser la participaci\u00f3n del usuario\/promotor, donde \u201cel usuario pasar\u00eda a ser parte activa e insustituible <\/strong>del proceso de puesta en marcha y dise\u00f1o. Esto, bastante v\u00e1lido desde siempre para encargos particulares tradicionales, no ha sido correctamente extrapolado a la vivienda colectiva\u201d<\/em><\/p>\n

La soluci\u00f3n, posiblemente, no solo pasa por la hacer entender a la sociedad la validez del uso de tecnolog\u00edas determinadas, sino tambi\u00e9n por hacer desaprender al cliente que es un elemento ajeno del proceso de producci\u00f3n de su vivienda.<\/p>\n

Si es evidente que numerosos discursos actuales aluden que solo desde una posici\u00f3n activa como ciudadano se puede generar ciudad y condici\u00f3n de comunidad. Ser\u00eda bonito poder trasladarlo a la vivienda colectiva, donde m\u00e1s que el binomio Cliente-Vendedor, podamos hablar en\u00a0t\u00e9rminos\u00a0de colectividad.<\/p>\n

Pedro Hern\u00e1ndez \u00b7 arquitecto
\nciudad de m\u00e9xico. enero 2014<\/p>\n

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Photography: Lucy Nieto<\/span><\/figcaption><\/figure><\/p>\n

Recently in the blog of La Ciudad Viva have appeared a couple of post that I am provided that to think and wanted to transmit an attempt of relation of concepts that me have appeared.<\/p>\n

Everything begins with interview by Stepien y Barno to Alejandro Aravena, where they ask:<\/p>\n

\n

Question: It is clear that the model Elemental works excellently in Latin America do you believe that it might move also to Europe? What questions should be born in mind?<\/p>\n

<\/em><\/p>\n

Response: My response is \u00abyes\u00bb, the intuition says to me that it is possible, but it would be necessary to study \u00abhow\u00bb.<\/strong> In addition, instead of making concrete it as a methodology in abstract, the real response is going to come after having realized a concrete case.<\/p>\n

In fact, we are developing now a project in Portugal and the response is going to come after having realized it. In case of Elementary, we did not know a priori, that instead of doing a cheap house, it was necessary to do the half of a good house. Solving the case of Portugal, we give response to situations seemed in other European cities. Across this project, we are trying to solve a nproblema to which no public politics comes at this moment.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

I am lucky to have lived through an exchange as student in Chile and to have attended one of the conferences of Aravena where it was explaining the\u00a0ELEMENTAL project.<\/p>\n

Curiously it is the same question that I did to myself in his moment, but that I could not do in this moment. My particular conclusion is curiously that is not removable, or, correcting me, not in a direct way.<\/p>\n

And I explain. In the context of Chile the particularity gives itself that questions like the autoconstruction in this company it is to the orden del d\u00eda (specially in the sector of population which it is directed projects as that of Iquique). In this context, the architecture happens for eliminating the superfluous thing and offering a good foundation<\/strong>. This is, more that to construct a cheap house, is constructed by the economic possibilities of those that there arranges that one that in the future allows the economic revalorarizaci\u00f3n of the construction. Anecdote, recollection like Aravena was speaking that with the same surface in a bath and with only a certain placement of the facilities, the user might change a shower into a tub, without with it to do big economic efforts.<\/p>\n

For this motive the buildings of elementary appear without finished interiors and without completing in its entirety with the expectation of which he is the own user who finishes the construction throughout the years.<\/p>\n

Nevertheless, if we think about the social housing inside the Spanish context (or European) everything changes: to begin the sector of population which it is directed (very concrete as elderly or young sectors in rent), the typology, they eliminate the topics of autoconstruction, etc.<\/p>\n

And even I could be said that what is looked on the market they are, in contraposition to the Chilean case, \u00abthe\u00bb \u00abgood\u00bb finished some\u00bb<\/strong> (or perhaps it is not the only thing that a real estate agency leaves to choose to his proprietary futures).<\/p>\n

To where can one direct then the housing? Following another post of\u00a0La Ciudad Viva<\/em> (Open Building at the s.XXI by Israel Nagore), a solution can happen for the development of an industrialization of the components of the building that grant flexibility to the construction and to possible later reforms. The idea is not bad always and when they overcome a couple of topics.<\/p>\n

First. How many times we have heard the critiques to systems as the carton – plaster for which \u00abhollow sounds\u00bb<\/strong>? There exists a widespread trend of which certain prefabricated systems are unable to compete with those of humid work, and if they do not remember the famous slogan of \u201cwalls of brick, walls indeed\u201d<\/a><\/strong>.<\/p>\n

Second. Does user decide how much before the purchase of the housing? It is important to eliminate also that the collective housing is something that alone is bought and the users do not decide anything on her (except already mentioned ended). Jorge Toledo (@eldelacajita<\/a>) in his PFC was creating a fish-pond of inciativas architectural<\/strong> that there had as object rethink the model of management – production of the private housing.<\/p>\n

In his text Proposed for an architecture 2.0<\/a>, Jorge comments that one of the fundamental points happens to be the participation of the user \/ promoter, where \u00abthe user would happen to be an active and irreplaceable<\/strong> part of the process of putting in march and design. This, valid enough from always for particular traditional orders, has not been extrapolated correctly to the collective housing\u00bb<\/em>.<\/p>\n

The solution, possibly, not only happens for making it understand to the company the validity of the use of certain technologies, but also for making unlearn the client who is a foreign element of the process of production of his housing.<\/p>\n

If it is evident that numerous current speeches allude that alone from a position it activates as citizen can generate city and condition of community. It would be nice to be able to move it to the collective housing, where more than the binomial Client – seller, we could speak in terms of collectivity.<\/p>\n

Pedro Hern\u00e1ndez \u00b7 architect<\/p>\n

ciudad de m\u00e9xico. january 2014<\/p>\n

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Fotograf\u00eda: Lucy Nieto<\/span><\/figcaption><\/figure><\/p>\n

Recientemente no blogue de A Cidade Viva apareceron un par de post que te\u00f1en dado que pensar e quer\u00eda transmitir un intento de relaci\u00f3n de conceptos que me apareceron.<\/p>\n

Todo empeza ca entrevista de Stepien e Barno a Alexandre Aravena, onde preguntan:<\/p>\n

\n

Pregunta: Est\u00e1 claro que o modelo Elemental funciona excelentemente en Am\u00e9rica Latina \u00bfCres que se poder\u00eda trasladar tam\u00e9n a Europa? \u00bfQue cuesti\u00f3ns se deber\u00edan ter en conta?<\/p>\n

<\/em><\/p>\n

Resposta: A mi\u00f1a resposta \u00e9 \u00absi\u00bb, a intuici\u00f3n dime que \u00e9 posible, pero haber\u00eda que estudar \u00abcomo\u00bb.<\/strong> Ademais, en vez de concretalo como unha metodolox\u00eda en abstracto, a verdadeira resposta vai vir despois de realizar un caso concreto.<\/p>\n

De feito, estamos a desenvolver agora un proxecto en Portugal e a resposta vai vir despois de habelo realizado.En o caso de Elemental, non sabiamos a priori, que en lugar de facer unha casa barata, era necesario facer a metade dunha casa boa. Resolvendo o caso de Portugal, damos resposta a situaci\u00f3ns parecidas noutras cidades europeas. A trav\u00e9s deste proxecto, estamos a intentar solucionar un nproblema ao que non chega ningunha pol\u00edtica p\u00fablica neste momento.<\/p>\n

<\/em><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

Te\u00f1o a sorte de ter vivido un intercambio como estudante en Chile e de ter asistido a unha das conferencias da. Aravena onde explicaba o proxecto ELEMENTAL.<\/p>\n

Curiosamente \u00e9 a mesma pregunta que eu me fixen no seu momento, pero que non puiden facer nese momento.Mi conclusi\u00f3n particular \u00e9 curiosamente que non \u00e9 trasladable, ou, corrix\u00edndome, non de xeito directo.<\/p>\n

E expl\u00edcome. No contexto de Chile d\u00e1se a particularidade que cuesti\u00f3ns como a autoconstruci\u00f3n nesa sociedade est\u00e1 \u00e1 orde do d\u00eda (especialmente no sector de poboaci\u00f3n ao que vai dirixido proxectos como o de Iquique). Nese contexto, a arquitectura pasa por eliminar o superfluo e ofrecer unha boa cimentaci\u00f3n<\/strong>. Isto \u00e9, m\u00e1is que constru\u00edr unha casa barata, constr\u00faese coas posibilidades econ\u00f3micas das que se disp\u00f3n aquilo que no futuro permita a revalorarizaci\u00f3n econ\u00f3mica da construci\u00f3n. Como an\u00e9cdota, recordo como Aravena falaba que cunha mesma superficie nun ba\u00f1o e con s\u00f3 unha determinada colocaci\u00f3n das instalaci\u00f3ns, o usuario poder\u00eda cambiar unha ducha por unha ba\u00f1eira, sen con iso facer grandes esforzos econ\u00f3micos.<\/p>\n

Por este motivo as edificaci\u00f3ns de elemental aparecen sen acabados interiores e sen completar na s\u00faa totalidade coa expectativa de que sexa o propio usuario quen remate a construci\u00f3n ao longo dos anos.<\/p>\n

Non obstante, se pensamos na vivenda social dentro do contexto espa\u00f1ol (ou europeo) todo cambia: para empezar o sector de poboaci\u00f3n ao que vai dirixido (sectores moi concretos como anci\u00e1ns ou mozos en aluguer), a tipolox\u00eda, desaparecen os temas de autoconstruci\u00f3n, etc.<\/p>\n

E mesmo se puiden dicir que o que se busca no mercado son, en contraposici\u00f3n ao caso chileno, uns \u00abbos acabados\u00bb<\/strong> (ou acaso non \u00e9 o \u00fanico que unha inmobiliaria deixa elixir os seus futuros propietarios).<\/p>\n

\u00bfCara a onde pode dirixirse ent\u00f3n a vivenda? Seguindo outro post de A Cidade Viva<\/em> (Open Building no s.XXI de Israel Nagore), unha soluci\u00f3n pode pasar polo desenvolvemento dunha industrializaci\u00f3n dos compo\u00f1entes do edificio que outorguen flexibilidade \u00e1 construci\u00f3n e a posibles reformas posteriores.La idea non \u00e9 mala sempre e cando se superen un par de t\u00f3picos.<\/p>\n

Primeiro. \u00bfCantas veces o\u00edmos as cr\u00edticas a sistemas como o carton-xeso por que \u00absoa oco\u00bb<\/strong>? Existe unha tendencia xeneralizada de que certos sistemas prefabricados son incapaces de competir cos de obra h\u00famida, e se non recorden o famoso slogan de\u00a0\u201cparedes de ladrillo, paredes de verdade\u201d<\/a><\/strong>.<\/p>\n

Segundo. \u00bfCanto decide o usuario antes da compra da vivenda? \u00c9 importante eliminar tam\u00e9n que a vivenda colectiva \u00e9 algo que s\u00f3 se compra e os usuarios non deciden nada sobre ela (ag\u00e1s os xa mencionados acabados). Xorxe Toledo (@eldelacajita<\/a>) no seu PFC creaba un viveiro de inciativas arquitect\u00f3nicas<\/a><\/strong> que ti\u00f1a como obxecto repensar o modelo de xesti\u00f3n-produci\u00f3n da vivenda privada.<\/p>\n

No seu texto Propostas para unha arquitectura 2.0<\/a>, Jorge comenta que un dos puntos fundamentais pasa a ser a participaci\u00f3n do usuario\/promotor, onde \u00abo usuario pasar\u00eda a ser parte activa e insubstitu\u00edble do proceso de posta en marcha e dese\u00f1o. Isto, bastante v\u00e1lido dende sempre para encargos particulares tradicionais, non foi correctamente extrapolado \u00e1 vivenda colectiva\u00bb<\/em><\/p>\n

A soluci\u00f3n, posiblemente, non s\u00f3 pasa pola facer entender \u00e1 sociedade a validez do uso de tecnolox\u00edas determinadas, sen\u00f3n tam\u00e9n por facer desaprender o cliente que \u00e9 un elemento alleo do proceso de produci\u00f3n da s\u00faa vivenda.<\/p>\n

Se \u00e9 evidente que numerosos discursos actuais aluden que s\u00f3 dende unha posici\u00f3n activa como cidad\u00e1n se pode xerar cidade e condici\u00f3n de comunidade. Ser\u00eda bonito poder trasladalo \u00e1 vivenda colectiva, onde m\u00e1is que o binomio Cliente-Vendedor, poidamos falar en termos de colectividade.<\/p>\n

Pedro Hern\u00e1ndez \u00b7 arquitecto<\/p>\n

ciudad de m\u00e9xico. xaneiro 2014<\/p>\n

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