{"id":31821,"date":"2013-06-21T06:30:15","date_gmt":"2013-06-21T04:30:15","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/?p=31821"},"modified":"2022-03-22T09:19:49","modified_gmt":"2022-03-22T08:19:49","slug":"anecdotica-y-ligera-aproximacion-a-andrew-geller-fernando-freire-forga","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/anecdotica-y-ligera-aproximacion-a-andrew-geller-fernando-freire-forga\/","title":{"rendered":"Anecd\u00f3tica y \u00abligera aproximaci\u00f3n\u00bb a Andrew Geller | Fernando Freire Forga Anecd\u00f3tica e \u00ablixeira aproximaci\u00f3n\u00bb a Andrew Geller | Fernando Freire Forga Anecdotal and \u00ablight approximation\u00bb to Andrew Geller | Fernando Freire Forga"},"content":{"rendered":"

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Regresando al individualismo y las apreciaciones personales, lo que he aprendido en la praxis es que hay \u201cgusto para todo\u201d y los clientes no saben de arquitectura y no tienen por qu\u00e9 saber: ellos no estudiaron la carrera. La responsabilidad est\u00e1 en el arquitecto que se deja llevar por temas comerciales y que finalmente sucumben en un producto arquitect\u00f3nico que desmerece a la profesi\u00f3n. En mi caso, lo experimentado es un ejemplo anecd\u00f3tico y no representan una realidad universal, pero podr\u00edan servir como una simple analog\u00eda en \u201cescala min\u00fascula\u201d.<\/p>\n

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Casa de Playa proyectada por el arquitecto estadounidense Andrew Michael Geller | laformamodernaenlatinoamerica.blogspot.com.es<\/span><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n

Por ejemplo, alguna vez me pidieron proyectar una vivienda unifamiliar en una de las playas de la costa norte del Per\u00fa, donde se disfruta de un clima templado todo el a\u00f1o, con temperaturas entre los 16 y 32 grados cent\u00edgrados. El cliente me indic\u00f3, sin opci\u00f3n a otra alternativa, que quer\u00eda una casa con material noble (sistema aporticado de concreto armado) con techos inclinados y con un \u201cdulce\u201d estilo similar a las viviendas que adornan los Alpes Suizos. Con pendientes en los techos muy pronunciadas (a la espera de una implacable nevada, supon\u00eda yo\u2026). Adem\u00e1s quer\u00eda una chimenea, para que le de calidad de hogar a su sala, la cual no requer\u00eda de ducto de humo, pues nunca la iba a prender (es que aqu\u00ed hace calor todo el a\u00f1o, me indic\u00f3). Y para que quiere un techo inclinado si nunca habr\u00e1 nieve? Pregunt\u00e9 y me respondi\u00f3 al instante: que es lo que siempre hab\u00eda so\u00f1ado y por qu\u00e9 simplemente le gustaba, a\u00f1adiendo que tambi\u00e9n quer\u00eda un gran pino en el jard\u00edn de ingreso, el cual deber\u00eda ser m\u00e1s alto que los techos de la vivienda (lo ten\u00eda todo friamente calculado). Adicionalmente, me indic\u00f3 que quer\u00eda que contemple en el dise\u00f1o temas de rusticidad y generar espacios c\u00e1lidos (claro, si hay mucho fr\u00edo en los Alpes, \u00a1nada como un espacio c\u00e1lido! Pensaba en silencio).<\/p>\n

Entend\u00ed que el cliente no requer\u00eda un producto que satisfaga sus necesidades de vivienda, el cliente quer\u00eda un producto arquitect\u00f3nico que complazca sus necesidades psicol\u00f3gicas\u00a0 y ello \u201cestaba fuera de mi jurisdicci\u00f3n\u201d. Gener\u00e1ndose una disyuntiva: Si proyectaba aquello que solicitaba el cliente, el que terminar\u00eda en una terapia intensiva con un psic\u00f3logo ser\u00eda yo.<\/p>\n

Lamentablemente no logr\u00e9 convencer al cliente de buscar otra soluci\u00f3n arquitect\u00f3nica y opt\u00e9 por no seguir con el encargo.<\/p>\n

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Boceto interior de la Casa de Playa, Andrew Michael Geller | laformamodernaenlatinoamerica.blogspot.com.es<\/span><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n

Con este ejemplo pretendo demostrar que a pesar de querer lograr una proyecci\u00f3n coherente y l\u00f3gica, existen ocasiones que nos vemos obligados a tomar decisiones dr\u00e1sticas para evitar una mala praxis. Lamentablemente hay profesionales que por temas comerciales se prestan a este tipo de requerimientos y ello genera como consecuencia la existencia de futuros clientes que sin un conocimiento adecuado, soliciten proyectos irracionales que desmerecen la praxis de nuestra profesi\u00f3n y ridiculizan nuestras ciudades.<\/p>\n

Finalmente y para concluir este art\u00edculo, creo que pudieron existir otras posibilidades, en las que podr\u00eda haber logrado un mejor manejo en la negociaci\u00f3n con el cliente (aunque fue muy dif\u00edcil cambiarle alguna idea previamente concebida). Quiz\u00e1s si hubiera propuesto el uso de madera como una alternativa, hubiese logrado una ligera aproximaci\u00f3n a las Casas de Playa proyectadas por el arquitecto estadounidense Andrew Michael Geller a mediados del siglo pasado. (Recomiendo revisar su obra).<\/p>\n

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Casa de Playa, Andrew Michael Geller | laformamodernaenlatinoamerica.blogspot.com.es<\/span><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n

Fernando Freire Forga \u00b7 Doctor Arquitecto
\nLima \u00b7 junio 2013 \u00b7 Autor del Blog La Forma Moderna en Latinoam\u00e9rica<\/a><\/p>\n

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Returning to the individualism and the personal appraisals, which I have learned in the practice is that it is \u201cI please for everything\u201d and the clients do not know of architecture and do not have why to know: they did not study the career. The responsibility is in the architect who is left to go for commercial topics and who finally they succumb in an architectural product of that it is unworthy to the profession. In my case, the experienced thing is an anecdotal example and they do not represent a universal reality, but they might serve as a simple analogy in \u201cminuscule scale\u201d.<\/p>\n

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Beach House projected by the American architect Andrew Michael Geller | laformamodernaenlatinoamerica.blogspot.com.es<\/span><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n

For example, at some time they asked me to project an one-family housing in one of the beaches of the north coast of Peru, where it is enjoyed a moderate climate all the year round, with temperatures between 16 and 32 centigrade degrees. The client indicated me, without option to another alternative, that it wanted a house with noble material (system aporticado of I make concrete armed) with sloping ceilings and with a \u201csweet\u201d I am used similar to the housings that adorn the Swiss Alps. With earrings in the ceilings very pronounced (to the wait of an implacable snowfall, I supposed \u2026). In addition it wanted a chimney, in order that from quality of home to his room, which was not needing of duct of smoke, since it was never going to light it (it is that here it is hot all the year round, it indicated me). And in order that a sloping ceiling wants if there will never be snow? I asked and it answered me to the instant: that is what always had dreamed and why simply he liked it, adding that also wanted a great pine in the garden of revenue, which be to be high than the ceilings of the housing (it had everything coldly calculated). Additional, it indicated me that it wanted that he contemplates in the design topics of wildness and generated hot spaces (clear, if there is a lot of cold in the Alps, at all as a hot space! He was thinking silently).<\/p>\n

I understood that the client was not needing a product that satisfies his needs of housing, the client wanted an architectural product that it takes pleasure his psychological needs and it\u00a0 \u201cwas out of my jurisdiction\u201d. A dilemma being generated: If it was projecting that one that it was requesting the client, which would end in an intensive therapy with a psychologist would be I.<\/p>\n

Lamentably I did not manage to convince the client to look for another architectural solution and chose not to continue with the order.<\/p>\n

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Interior sketch of the Beach house, Andrew Michael Geller | laformamodernaenlatinoamerica.blogspot.com.es<\/span><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n

With this example I try to demonstrate that in spite of wanting to achieve a coherent and logical projection, occasions exist that we meet obliged to take drastic decisions to avoid a bad practice. Lamentably there are professionals who for commercial topics lend to this type of requirements and it generates as consequence the existence of future clients who without a suitable knowledge, request irrational projects that are unworthy of the practice of our profession and ridicule our cities.<\/p>\n

Finally and to conclude this article, I believe that there could exist other possibilities, in which it might have achieved a better managing in the negotiation with the client (though it was very difficult to change some idea before concebida). Probably if he had proposed the use of wood as an alternative, it had achieved a light approximation to the Beach houses projected by the American architect Andrew Michael Geller in the middle of last century. (I recommend to check his work).<\/p>\n

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Beach house, Andrew Michael Geller<\/span> | laformamodernaenlatinoamerica.blogspot.com.es<\/span><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n

Fernando Freire Forga \u00b7 Doctor Architect<\/p>\n

Lima \u00b7 juny 2013 \u00b7 Author of the Blog La Forma Moderna en Latinoam\u00e9rica<\/a><\/p>\n

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Regresando ao individualismo e as apreciaciones persoais, o que aprend\u00edn na praxe \u00e9 que hai \u201cgusto para todo\u201d e os clientes non saben de arquitectura e non te\u00f1en por que saber: eles non estudaron a carreira. A responsabilidade est\u00e1 no arquitecto que se deixa levar por temas comerciais e que finalmente sucumben nun produto arquitect\u00f3nico que desmerece \u00e1 profesi\u00f3n. No meu caso, o experimentado \u00e9 un exemplo anecd\u00f3tico e non representan unha realidade universal, pero poder\u00edan servir como unha simple analog\u00eda en \u00abescala min\u00fascula\u201d.<\/p>\n

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Casa de Praia proxectada polo arquitecto estadounidense Andrew Michael Geller | laformamodernaenlatinoamerica.blogspot.com.es<\/span><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n

Por exemplo, algunha vez ped\u00edronme proxectar unha vivenda unifamiliar nunha das praias da costa norte do Per\u00fa, onde se goza dun clima templado todo o ano, con temperaturas entre os 16 e 32 grados cent\u00edgrados. O cliente indicoume, sen opci\u00f3n a outra alternativa, que quer\u00eda unha casa con material nobre (sistema aporticado de concreto armado) con teitos inclinados e cun \u201cdoce\u201d estilo similar \u00e1s vivendas que adornan os Alpes Suizos. Con pendentes nos teitos moi pronunciadas (\u00e1 espera dunha implacable nevada, supo\u00f1\u00eda eu\u2026). Ademais quer\u00eda unha cheminea, para que lle de calidade de fogar \u00e1 s\u00faa sala, a cal non requir\u00eda de ducto de fume, pois nunca a \u00eda a prender (\u00e9 que aqu\u00ed fai calor todo o ano, indicoume). E para que quere un teito inclinado si nunca haber\u00e1 neve? Preguntei e respondeume ao instante: que \u00e9 o que sempre so\u00f1ara e por que simplemente gust\u00e1balle, engadindo que tam\u00e9n quer\u00eda un gran pi\u00f1eiro no xard\u00edn de ingreso, o cal deber\u00eda ser m\u00e1is alto que os teitos da vivenda (t\u00ed\u00f1ao todo friamente calculado). Adicionalmente, indicoume que quer\u00eda que contemple no dese\u00f1o temas de rusticidad e xerar espazos c\u00e1lidos (claro, si hai moito fr\u00edo nos Alpes, \u00a1nada como un espazo c\u00e1lido! Pensaba en silencio).<\/p>\n

Entend\u00edn que o cliente non requir\u00eda un produto que satisfaga as s\u00faas necesidades de vivenda, o cliente quer\u00eda un produto arquitect\u00f3nico que compraza as s\u00faas necesidades psicol\u00f3xicas e iso \u201cestaba f\u00f3ra da mi\u00f1a jurisdicci\u00f3n\u201d. Xer\u00e1ndose unha disyuntiva: Si proxectaba aquilo que solicitaba o cliente, o que terminar\u00eda nunha terapia intensiva cun psic\u00f3logo ser\u00eda eu.<\/p>\n

Lamentablemente non logrei convencer ao cliente de buscar outra soluci\u00f3n arquitect\u00f3nica e optei por non seguir co encargo.<\/p>\n

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Boceto interior da Casa de Praia, Andrew Michael Geller | laformamodernaenlatinoamerica.blogspot.com.es<\/span><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n

Con este exemplo pretendo demostrar que malia querer lograr unha proxecci\u00f3n coherente e l\u00f3xica, existen ocasi\u00f3ns que nos vemos obrigados a tomar decisi\u00f3ns dr\u00e1sticas para evitar unha mala praxe. Lamentablemente hai profesionais que por temas comerciais pr\u00e9stanse a este tipo de requerimientos e iso xera como consecuencia a existencia de futuros clientes que sen un co\u00f1ecemento adecuado, soliciten proxectos irracionales que desmerecen a praxe da nosa profesi\u00f3n e ridiculizan nosas cidades.<\/p>\n

Finalmente e para conclu\u00edr este artigo, creo que puideron existir outras posibilidades, nas que poder\u00eda lograr un mellor manexo na negociaci\u00f3n co cliente (a\u00ednda que foi moi dif\u00edcil cambiarlle algunha idea previamente concibida). Quizais si propuxese o uso de madeira como unha alternativa, lograse unha lixeira aproximaci\u00f3n \u00e1s Casas de Praia proxectadas polo arquitecto estadounidense Andrew Michael Geller a mediados do s\u00e9culo pasado. (Recomendo revisar a s\u00faa obra).<\/p>\n

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Casa de Playa, Andrew Michael Geller | laformamodernaenlatinoamerica.blogspot.com.es<\/span><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n

Fernando Freire Forga \u00b7 Doutor Arquitecto<\/p>\n

Lima \u00b7 xunio 2013 \u00b7 Autor do Blogue La Forma Moderna en Latinoam\u00e9rica<\/a><\/p>\n

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