{"id":30973,"date":"2014-12-08T06:55:32","date_gmt":"2014-12-08T06:55:32","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/?p=30973"},"modified":"2024-03-18T14:16:21","modified_gmt":"2024-03-18T13:16:21","slug":"oiza-desencadenado-jose-ramon-hernandez-correa","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/oiza-desencadenado-jose-ramon-hernandez-correa\/","title":{"rendered":"[:es]O\u00edza desencadenado | Jos\u00e9 Ram\u00f3n Hern\u00e1ndez Correa[:gl]O\u00edza desencadedo | Jos\u00e9 Ram\u00f3n Hern\u00e1ndez Correa[:en]Unleashed O\u00edza | Jos\u00e9 Ram\u00f3n Hern\u00e1ndez Correa[:]"},"content":{"rendered":"

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Francisco Javier S\u00e1enz de O\u00edza<\/strong><\/a> era un genio. S\u00ed, un genio. En todas las acepciones de la palabra, incluso en la de \u00abtener mucho genio\u00bb.<\/p>\n

Siempre dec\u00eda cosas ingeniosas, creativas, estimulantes. Era imposible saber qu\u00e9 f\u00e9rtiles asociaciones de ideas iba a hacer, y eso hac\u00eda su discurso apasionante.<\/p>\n

A no ser que te tocara terminarle una frase. Eso era angustioso.<\/p>\n

A veces ten\u00eda un chispazo brillante, lo insinuaba y pretend\u00eda que alguien de entre los presentes lo rematara. Imposible.<\/p>\n

\u00bfC\u00f3mo saber qu\u00e9 era lo que se le hab\u00eda ocurrido?<\/strong><\/h5>\n
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Francisco Javier S\u00e1enz de O\u00edza | arquitectamoslocos.blogspot.com.es<\/span><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n

Una vez, en un curso de doctorado, mencion\u00f3 de pasada un problema cotidiano que ten\u00eda con su caja de compases, y pregunt\u00f3 cu\u00e1l era la soluci\u00f3n. A m\u00ed (como supongo que al resto de alumnos) se me ocurri\u00f3 una respuesta evidente de puro tonta, pero me abstuve (como los dem\u00e1s) de decirla en voz alta. O\u00edza insisti\u00f3: Quien diera con ella ten\u00eda aprobado autom\u00e1ticamente el curso. Nadie dijo nada. Decepcionado por tener unos alumnos tan lerdos, el maestro dio la soluci\u00f3n: Era la que supongo que hab\u00edamos pensado todos.<\/p>\n

Pero con O\u00edza eso no era lo normal. Podr\u00eda haber sido cualquier cosa. Y si no acertabas te expon\u00edas a su dur\u00edsima (por aguda, divertida y mordaz) cr\u00edtica. Y nadie era capaz de resistir eso.<\/p>\n

(Aparte de que, de haber acertado, a ver qui\u00e9n era el guapo que le dec\u00eda luego que cumpliera su promesa).<\/p>\n

A O\u00edza le gustaba dar cursos sobre \u00abvocabulario arquitect\u00f3nico\u00bb o, mejor dicho, sobre \u00abconceptos b\u00e1sicos sobre los elementos arquitect\u00f3nicos\u00bb. Reflexionar sobre qu\u00e9 era un muro, una cubierta, un hueco, una columna, etc. Lo hac\u00eda con un \u00e1nimo constructivista, concreto y pr\u00e1ctico, como para explicar las bases, pero lo ba\u00f1aba todo de poes\u00eda, de espacio, de creaci\u00f3n, de filosof\u00eda de la habitaci\u00f3n humana.<\/p>\n

Eran unas clases apasionantes, en las que desde la necesidad estructural del muro de carga y desde su realidad constructiva, se llegaba al espacio y a la definici\u00f3n de las condiciones de vida y funci\u00f3n.<\/p>\n

Era algo extraordinario.<\/p>\n

O\u00edza adolec\u00eda de falta de orden y rigor expositivos. Era incapaz de desarrollar un programa coherente. Pero eso no ten\u00eda la menor importancia, porque a cada frase te suger\u00eda mil ideas y te abr\u00eda mil caminos, y cada historia que se sal\u00eda del temario previsto te sumerg\u00eda en la aventura. Siempre era mucho mejor el destino encontrado que el previsto.<\/p>\n

Lo malo, como digo, es cuando pretend\u00eda que alguien le siguiera la idea. Nadie era capaz de hacerlo.<\/p>\n

Una vez, en uno de estos cursos, le propuso a su profesor ayudante Francisco Alonso<\/strong> (el magn\u00edfico Pacoalonso) que diera una lecci\u00f3n sobre \u00abla puerta\u00bb.<\/p>\n

Paco Alonso se prepar\u00f3 el tema con la dedicaci\u00f3n y perseverancia acostumbradas en \u00e9l, y dio una charla exhaustiva y magistral sobre la puerta: Tipos de puerta (correderas, abatibles, basculantes, pivotantes…); materiales (madera, vidrio, acero, aluminio, piedra…), sistemas, cierres, estilos, etc, etc, etc.<\/p>\n

La charla dur\u00f3 sus buenos tres cuartos de hora, durante los que O\u00edza asisti\u00f3 atento y callado. Al terminar, todo el mundo esperaba la felicitaci\u00f3n del maestro y, acaso, un par de frases para poner la guinda.<\/p>\n

Pero no fue as\u00ed. O\u00edza se levant\u00f3 y le dijo a Paco Alonso que se hab\u00eda equivocado completamente. Que la puerta no es la membrana que cierra el hueco, sino el hueco. La puerta es la apertura. La hoja anula la puerta, quiere que el hueco vuelva a ser muro, que deje de ser puerta. La hoja abatible, pivotante, basculante, etc, lucha contra la puerta.<\/p>\n

La puerta es puerta cuando est\u00e1 abierta. Todo lo dem\u00e1s es no-puerta.<\/p>\n

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\u00abNo te has enterado de nada\u00bb.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

Paco Alonso argument\u00f3, habl\u00f3, expuso, razon\u00f3. Pero ya era todo in\u00fatil. (En mi modesta opini\u00f3n, O\u00edza ten\u00eda toda la raz\u00f3n, pero fue innecesariamente cruel. Pod\u00eda haber intervenido al principio y haber reconducido la charla de su ayudante, o haberla convertido en un f\u00e9rtil debate).<\/p>\n

Hace poco, Santiago de Molina<\/strong><\/a> ha escrito una reflexi\u00f3n sobre la puerta. Me pareci\u00f3 muy hermosa y os animo a que la le\u00e1is<\/a>. <\/strong>Creo que a O\u00edza le habr\u00eda gustado mucho. \u00abLas puertas dejan pasar r\u00edos\u00bb.<\/p>\n

Jos\u00e9 Ram\u00f3n Hern\u00e1ndez Correa
\nDoctor Arquitecto y autor de Arquitectamos locos?<\/em>
\nToledo \u00b7 febrero 2013[:en]<\/p>\n

Francisco Javier S\u00e1enz de O\u00edza<\/strong><\/a> was a genius. Yes, a genius. In all the meanings of the word, even in her of \u00abhaving very much genius\u00bb.<\/p>\n

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Francisco Javier S\u00e1enz de O\u00edza | arquitectamoslocos.blogspot.com.es<\/span><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n

Always he was saying ingenious, creative, stimulant things. It was impossible to know what fertile associations of ideas it was going to do, and it was doing his exciting speech.<\/p>\n

Unless you him were having to finish a phrase. It was distressing.<\/p>\n

Sometimes it had a brilliant spark, it it was insinuating and claiming that someone of between the presents was finishing off it. Impossible. How to know what age what had happened to him?<\/p>\n

Once, in a course of doctorate, it mentioned of spent a daily problem that had with his box of compases, and asked which was the solution. To me (since I suppose that to the rest of pupils) an evident silly response of cigar happened to me, but I abstained (as the others) of saying it loudly. O\u00edza insisted: The one who was meeting her had the course approved automatically. Nobody said anything. Disappointed for having a few so slow pupils, the teacher gave the solution: It was the one that I suppose that we had thought all.<\/p>\n

But with O\u00edza it was not the normal thing. It might have been any thing. And if you were not succeeding you were exposing to his dur\u00edsima (for sharp, enterteining and biting) your critique. And nobody was capable of resisting it.<\/p>\n

(Apart from the fact that, of having succeeded, when sees the one who was the gallant who was saying to him then that should fulfill his promise).<\/p>\n

To O\u00edza it liked to give courses on \u00abarchitectural vocabulary\u00bb or, rather, on \u00abbasic concepts on the architectural elements\u00bb. To think what was a wall, a cover, a hollow, a column, etc. It was doing it with a spirit constructivista, concretly and practically, since to explain the bases, but it was bathing everything of poetry, of space, of creation, of philosophy of the human room.<\/p>\n

They were a few exciting classes, in which from the structural need of the wall of load and from his constructive reality, it was coming near to the space and to the definition of the living conditions and function.<\/p>\n

It was something extraordinary.<\/p>\n

O\u00edza was suffering from lack of order and rigor explanatory. It was unable to develop a coherent program. But it did not have the minor importance, because to every phrase it was suggesting thousand ideas to you and was opening thousand ways you, and every history that was leaving of the foreseen agenda was immersing you in the adventure. Always it was a much better the opposing destination than the foreseen one.<\/p>\n

The bad thing, as I say, it is when he was claiming that someone was following the idea. Nobody was capable of doing it.<\/p>\n

Once, in one of these courses, there proposed his teacher assistant\u00a0Francisco Alonso<\/strong> (the magnificent Pacoalonso) to give a lesson on \u00abthe door\u00bb.<\/p>\n

Alpaca Alonso prepared the topic for himself with the dedication and perseverance accustomed in him, and gave an exhaustive and magisterial chat on the door: Types of door (sliding, flip-top, bascule, pivotantes …); materials (wood, glass, steel, aluminium, stone …), systems, closings, styles, etc, etc, etc.<\/p>\n

The chat lasted his good three quarters of hour, during which O\u00edza represented attentivly and quietly. On having ended, the whole world was waiting for the letter of congratulation of the teacher and, perhaps, a couple of phrases to put the cherry.<\/p>\n

But it was not like that. O\u00edza got up and said to him to Alpaca Alonso who had been wrong completely. That the door is not the membrane that closes the hollow, but the hollow. The door is the opening. The leaf annuls the door, wants that the hollow turns to be a wall, which stops being a door. The flip-top leaf, pivotante, bascule, etc, fights against the door.<\/p>\n

The door is a door when it is opened. Everything else is a non-door.<\/p>\n

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\u00abYou have not found out about anything\u00bb.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

Alpaca Alonso argued, spoke, exhibited, reasoned. But already it was quite useless. (In my modest opinion, O\u00edza had the whole reason, but it was unnecessarily cruel. It could have intervened initially and have re-led the chat of his assistant, or have turned her into a fertile debate).<\/p>\n

It does little,\u00a0Santiago de Molina<\/strong><\/a> has written a reflection on the door. It seemed to me to be very beautiful and I encourage you to that you her read<\/a>. I believe that O\u00edza would have liked very much. \u00abThe doors stop to spend rivers\u00bb.<\/p>\n

Jos\u00e9 Ram\u00f3n Hern\u00e1ndez Correa<\/p>\n

Doctor Architect and author de Arquitectamos locos?<\/em><\/p>\n

Toledo \u00b7 february 2013<\/p>\n

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Francisco Javier S\u00e1enz de O\u00edza<\/strong><\/a> era un xenio. Si, un xenio. En todas as acepciones da palabra, ata na de \u00abter moito xenio\u00bb.<\/p>\n

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Francisco Javier S\u00e1enz de O\u00edza | arquitectamoslocos.blogspot.com.es<\/span><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n

Sempre dic\u00eda cousas enxe\u00f1osas, creativas, estimulantes. Era imposible saber que f\u00e9rtiles asociaci\u00f3ns de ideas \u00eda facer, e iso fac\u00eda o seu discurso apaixonante.<\/p>\n

A non ser que che tocase terminarlle unha frase. Iso era angustioso.<\/p>\n

\u00c1s veces ti\u00f1a un chispazo brillante, insinu\u00e1bao e pretend\u00eda que algu\u00e9n de entre os presentes remat\u00e1seo. Imposible. \u00bfComo saber que era o que se lle ocorreu?<\/p>\n

Unha vez, nun curso de doutorado, mencionou de pasada un problema coti\u00e1n que ti\u00f1a coa s\u00faa caixa de compases, e preguntou cal era a soluci\u00f3n. A min (como supo\u00f1o que ao resto de alumnos) se me ocorreu unha resposta evidente de puro parva, pero abst\u00edvenme (como os demais) de dicila en voz alta. O\u00edza insistiu: Quen dera con ela ti\u00f1a aprobado automaticamente o curso. Ningu\u00e9n dixo nada. Decepcionado por ter uns alumnos tan lerdos, o mestre deu a soluci\u00f3n: Era a que supo\u00f1o que pensaramos todos.<\/p>\n

Pero con O\u00edza iso non era o normal. Poder\u00eda ter sido calquera cousa. E se non acertabas expo\u00f1\u00edaste \u00e1 s\u00faa dura (por aguda, divertida e mordaz) cr\u00edtica. E ningu\u00e9n era capaz de resistir iso.<\/p>\n

(\u00c1 parte de que, de ter acertado, a ver a quen era o guapo que lle dic\u00eda logo que cumprise a s\u00faa promesa).<\/p>\n

A O\u00edza gust\u00e1balle dar cursos sobre \u00abvocabulario arquitect\u00f3nico\u00bb ou, mellor dito, sobre \u00abconceptos b\u00e1sicos sobre os elementos arquitect\u00f3nicos\u00bb. Reflexionar sobre que era un muro, unha cuberta, un oco, unha columna, etc. Fac\u00edao cun \u00e1nimo constructivista, concreto e pr\u00e1ctico, como para explicar as bases, pero o ba\u00f1aba todo de poes\u00eda, de espazo, de creaci\u00f3n, de filosof\u00eda do cuarto humano.<\/p>\n

Eran unhas clases apaixonantes, nas que dende a necesidade estrutural do muro de carga e dende a s\u00faa realidade construtiva, se chegaba ao espazo e \u00e1 definici\u00f3n das condici\u00f3ns de vida e funci\u00f3n.<\/p>\n

Era algo extraordinario.<\/p>\n

O\u00edza adoec\u00eda de falta de orde e rigor expositivos. Era incapaz de desenvolver un programa coherente. Pero iso non ti\u00f1a a menor importancia, porque a cada frase che suxer\u00eda mil ideas e che abr\u00eda mil cami\u00f1os, e cada historia que se sa\u00eda do temario previsto somerx\u00edate na aventura. Sempre era moito mellor o destino encontrado que o previsto.<\/p>\n

O malo, como digo, \u00e9 cando pretend\u00eda que algu\u00e9n lle seguise a idea. Ningu\u00e9n era capaz de facelo.<\/p>\n

Unha vez, nun destes cursos, prop\u00faxoo ao seu profesor axudante\u00a0Francisco Alonso<\/strong> (o magn\u00edfico Pacoalonso) que dera unha lecci\u00f3n sobre \u00aba porta\u00bb.<\/p>\n

Paco Alonso preparouse o tema coa dedicaci\u00f3n e perseveranza acostumadas nel, e deu unha charla exhaustiva e maxistral sobre a porta: Tipos de porta (corred\u00edas, abatibles, basculantes, pivotantes…); materiais (madeira, vidro, aceiro, aluminio, pedra…), sistemas, peches, estilos, etc, etc, etc.<\/p>\n

A charla durou os seus bos tres cuartos de hora, durante os que O\u00edza asistiu atento e calado. Ao rematar, todo o mundo esperaba a felicitaci\u00f3n do mestre e, acaso, un par de frases para po\u00f1er a guinda.<\/p>\n

Pero non foi as\u00ed. O\u00edza ergueuse e d\u00edxolle a Paco Alonso que se equivocara completamente. Que a porta non \u00e9 a membrana que pecha o oco, sen\u00f3n o oco. A porta \u00e9 a apertura. A folla anula a porta, quere que o oco volva ser muro, que deixe de ser porta. A folla abatible, pivotante, basculante, etc, loita contra a porta.<\/p>\n

La puerta es puerta cuando est\u00e1 abierta. Todo lo dem\u00e1s es no-puerta.<\/p>\n

\n

\u00abNo te has enterado de nada\u00bb.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

Paco Alonso argument\u00f3, habl\u00f3, expuso, razon\u00f3. Pero ya era todo in\u00fatil. (En mi modesta opini\u00f3n, O\u00edza ten\u00eda toda la raz\u00f3n, pero fue innecesariamente cruel. Pod\u00eda haber intervenido al principio y haber reconducido la charla de su ayudante, o haberla convertido en un f\u00e9rtil debate).<\/p>\n

Hace poco, Santiago de Molina<\/strong><\/a> ha escrito una reflexi\u00f3n sobre la puerta. Me pareci\u00f3 muy hermosa y os animo a que la le\u00e1is<\/a>. <\/strong>Creo que a O\u00edza le habr\u00eda gustado mucho. \u00abLas puertas dejan pasar r\u00edos\u00bb.<\/p>\n

Jos\u00e9 Ram\u00f3n Hern\u00e1ndez Correa<\/p>\n

Doutor Arquitecto e autor de Arquitectamos locos?<\/em><\/p>\n

Toledo \u00b7 febreiro 2013<\/p>\n

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