{"id":24311,"date":"2012-10-04T06:39:51","date_gmt":"2012-10-04T06:39:51","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/?p=24311"},"modified":"2018-04-24T12:17:00","modified_gmt":"2018-04-24T10:17:00","slug":"ser-o-no-ser-sobre-lo-bello-jorge-meijide","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/ser-o-no-ser-sobre-lo-bello-jorge-meijide\/","title":{"rendered":"Ser o no ser, sobre lo bello | Jorge MeijideSer ou non ser, sobre o belo | Jorge MeijideBe or not be, about the beautiful | Jorge Meijide"},"content":{"rendered":"

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Ser o no ser, sobre lo bello<\/strong><\/p>\n

El ver implica, entre otras muchas cosas, la cualidad de la valoraci\u00f3n y la comparaci\u00f3n y, aunque el acto de ver es bastante complejo y est\u00e1 lleno de significados, cuando hablamos de ver, en lo que a la arquitectura se refiere, una parte la dedicamos a su asociaci\u00f3n con lo bello. La belleza es inherente al arte de la arquitectura, o al menos lo era.<\/p>\n

La belleza es un asunto tan serio como inc\u00f3modo, al menos para los que andamos en esto de la arquitectura. Sentimos cierta incomodidad al pronunciarnos sobre ella ante profanos en la materia, gentes felices<\/em> ajenas a lo nuestro; me gusta o no me gusta sentimos que son apreciaciones que hemos de dejar para otros, nos parece demasiado sencillo recurrir al simple gusto y aderezamos nuestro juicio con criterios aparentemente m\u00e1s objetivos, sesudos y complejos. Cuando alguien nos pregunta si esto o aquello nos gusta, lo hacen casi siempre apelando a nuestros conocimientos espec\u00edficos esperando una respuesta clara y de peso que sea, generalmente, un aval de su gusto. Esa respuesta, que para otros es tan sencilla, para nosotros es, como dec\u00eda, cuando menos inc\u00f3moda. El gusto es la c\u00e1rcel de la belleza, o viceversa…<\/p>\n

Desde que Vitruvio incluyera la venustas<\/em> entre la tr\u00edada de las virtudes y obligaciones de la arquitectura, Firmitas, Utilitas y Venustas<\/em>, (Firmeza, Utilidad y Belleza), en su tratado De architectura<\/em> hall\u00e1 por el a\u00f1o 15 a.c. y m\u00e1s tarde las escuelas de Beaux Arts la confirmaran y la ense\u00f1aran, han pasado muchas cosas.<\/p>\n

De la belleza se ocupa la est\u00e9tica, rama filos\u00f3fica escurridiza como la que m\u00e1s, y del gusto se ocupa cada uno, as\u00ed, directamente. Y ambas son susceptibles de educaci\u00f3n. Una parece tan objetiva como la verdad absoluta con la que todos comparamos nuestras aseveraciones, la otra es voluble y cambiante como \u00abla donna\u00bb del aria de Rigoletto. Los valores de la belleza-gusto cambian tan r\u00e1pido como breves son sus reinados, tan pronto se asumen, se cambian. El modelo se saca al mercado, se asume, se vende, y se aprovecha hasta que se vulgariza pasando a canales de digesti\u00f3n m\u00e1s r\u00e1pidos hasta que se acaban volviendo obsoletos y se cambian por otros. El proceso es c\u00edclico y entrar en el es tan atractivo como banal. Los que llevan tiempo en esto lo saben. En esto, como en casi todo, la experiencia es un grado, y eso viene con el tiempo.<\/p>\n

Algunos opinar\u00e1n que lo bello, o lo bonito, para abreviar, no es lo que buscan, les parece superficial o no les interesa, pero no nos enga\u00f1emos, eso son complejos, lo bello nos agrada a todos. La b\u00fasqueda de la armon\u00eda de las proporciones, de la composici\u00f3n equilibrada, la resoluci\u00f3n elegante de un proyecto y dem\u00e1s cosas inasibles pero perceptivas forman parte de los anhelos que est\u00e1n inherentes en nuestro trabajo, consciente o inconscientemente. Ahora bien, recordemos que la b\u00fasqueda de lo bello como objetivo final deja hueca a la obra de arquitectura y lo que es peor, la condena a tener pronta fecha de caducidad.<\/p>\n

En una conferencia titulada \u00abThis busssines of Architecture<\/em>\u00ab[1]<\/sup><\/sup> Lou Kahn pronunciaba las siguientes palabras:<\/p>\n

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\u00abEn mi charla de hoy, hay una cosa que quiero decir cuanto antes. En cierto sentido, cuando digo que la arquitectura no tiene necesariamente que ser bella, lo que quiero decir es que el planteamiento para la resoluci\u00f3n de un problema no empieza con la belleza, con la consideraci\u00f3n de lo que pensamos es bello. La cosa empieza con muchas m\u00e1s cuestiones; y si el resultado es la belleza, bienvenida sea; si el resultado es feo pero lleva dentro los elementos de la arquitectura, a\u00fan tiene esperanzas de llegar a ser tambi\u00e9n bello; mediante su aplicaci\u00f3n o mediante la selecci\u00f3n, podr\u00eda llegar a ser bello. Pero no se puede empezar con esa idea de \u00abesto es bello, luego lo acepto; esto no es belleza y no lo acepto; as\u00ed que proyectar\u00e9 todos mis edificios pensando en Mies\u00bb(\u2026).<\/em><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

De lo bello se puede acabar diciendo con Bernhard que:<\/p>\n

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\u00abA pesar de todo, no lo comprendemos, lo entendemos pero no lo comprendemos<\/em>.\u00bb[2]<\/sup><\/sup><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

jorge meijide . arquitecto
\na coru\u00f1a. septiembre de 2012<\/p>\n

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Notas:<\/span>
\n [1] This Bussines of Architecture. The Student Publication of the School of Architecture of Tulane University, 1953. Extra\u00edda del libro Louis I. Kahn. Escritos, Conferencias y Entrevistas. Colecci\u00f3n Biblioteca de Arquitectura. El Croquis Editorial. 2003.<\/span>
\n [2] El malogrado, Thomas Bernhard, Alfaguara, 2011 (1983).<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Be or not be, about the beautiful<\/strong><\/p>\n

<\/strong>To see implies, between other many things, the quality of the valuation and the comparison and, though the act of seeing is complex enough and is full of meanings, when we speak of seeing, in what to the architecture it refers, we dedicate a part to his association with the beautiful thing. The beauty is inherent in the art of the architecture, or at least it it was.<\/p>\n

The beauty is a matter so serious as inconvinient, at least for those that we cover in this of the architecture. We feel certain inconvenience on having declared ourselves on her before laymen in the matter, happy peoples<\/em> foreign to ours; I like it or I do not like it we feel that they are appraisals that we have to leave for others, it seems to us to be too simple to resort to the simple taste and we adorn our judgment with criteria seemingly more aims, brainy and complex. When someone asks us if this or we like that one, they do it almost always appealing to our specific knowledge waiting for a clear response and of weight that is, generally, an endorsement of his taste. This response, which for others is so simple, for us is, as he was saying, less inconvinient when. The taste is the jail of the beauty, or vice versa…<\/p>\n

Since Vitruvio was including the venustas<\/em> between the triad of the virtues and obligations of the architecture, Firmitas, Utilitas and Venustas<\/em>, (Firmness, Usefulness and Beauty), in his agreement De architectura<\/em> hall\u00e1 for the year 15 a.c. and later Beaux Arts’s schools were confirming it and were teaching her, many things have happened.<\/p>\n

With the beauty there deals the aesthetics, philosophical slippery branch like that more, and with the taste each one deals, this way, directly. And both are capable of education. One seems to be so objective as the absolute truth with which we we all compare our affirmations, other one is changeable and changeable as \u00bb the donna \u00bb of Rigoletto’s aria. The values of the beauty – taste change so rapid as brief are his reigns, so soon they are assumed, change. The model is launched onto the market, is assumed, sells, and takes advantage until it is vulgarized going on to more rapid channels of digestion until they end up by becoming obsolete and change for others. The process is cyclical and to enter in is so attractive as banal. Those who go time in this know it. In this, since in almost quite, the experience is a degree, and it comes with the time.<\/p>\n

Some of them will think that the beautiful thing, or the nice thing, to be quick, is not for what they look, it seems to them to be superficial or they are not interested in it, but let’s not deceive ourselves, it they are complex, the beautiful thing pleases his all. The search of the harmony of the proportions, of the balanced composition, the elegant resolution of a project and other things inasibles but perceptive they form a part of the longings that are inherent in our work, consciously or unconsciously. Now then, let’s remember that the search of the beautiful thing like final aim stops hollow to the work of architecture and what it is worse, the sentence to having prompt expiry date.<\/p>\n

In a qualified conference \u00bb This busssines of Architecture \u00ab<\/em>[1]<\/sup><\/sup> was declaring the following words:<\/p>\n

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\u00bb In my chat of today, there is a thing that I want to say as soon as possible. In a sense, when I say that the architecture does not have necessarily that to be beautiful, which I want to say is that the exposition for the resolution of a problem does not begin with the beauty, with the consideration of what we think it is beautiful. The thing begins with many more questions; and if the result is the beauty, welcome is; if the result is ugly but takes inside the elements of the architecture, still it has hopes to manage to be also beautiful; by means of his application or by means of the selection, it might manage to be beautiful. But it is not possible to begin with this idea of \u00bb this is beautiful, then the gently accepted thing; this is not beauty and the gently accepted thing; so I will project all my buildings thinking about Grain \u00bb (\u2026).<\/em><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

Of the beautiful thing it is possible to end up by saying with Bernhard that:<\/p>\n

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\u00bb Regardless, we do not understand it, understand it but we do not understand it.<\/em>\u00ab[2]<\/sup><\/sup><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

jorge meijide . architect<\/p>\n

a coru\u00f1a. september, 2012<\/p>\n

Notes:<\/span><\/p>\n

[1] This Bussines of Architecture. The Student Publication of the School of Architecture of Tulane University, 1953. Extra\u00edda del libro Louis I. Kahn. Escritos, Conferencias y Entrevistas. Colecci\u00f3n Biblioteca de Arquitectura. El Croquis Editorial. 2003.<\/span><\/p>\n

[2] El malogrado, Thomas Bernhard, Alfaguara, 2011 (1983).<\/span><\/p>\n

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Ser ou no ser, sobre o belo<\/strong><\/p>\n

<\/strong>O ver implica, entre outras moitas cousas, a calidade da valoraci\u00f3n e a comparaci\u00f3n e, a\u00ednda que o acto de ver \u00e9 bastante complexo e est\u00e1 cheo de significados, cando falamos de ver, no que \u00e1 arquitectura ref\u00edrese, unha parte dedic\u00e1mola \u00e1 s\u00faa asociaci\u00f3n co belo. A beleza \u00e9 inherente \u00e1 arte da arquitectura, ou polo menos \u00e9rao.<\/p>\n

A beleza \u00e9 un asunto tan serio como inc\u00f3modo, polo menos para os que andamos nisto da arquitectura. Sentimos certa incomodidad ao pronunciarnos sobre ela ante profanos na materia, xentes ledas<\/em> alleas ao noso; g\u00fastame ou non me gusta sentimos que son apreciaciones que habemos de deixar para outros, par\u00e9cenos demasiado sinxelo recorrer ao simple gusto e aderezamos o noso xu\u00edzo con criterios aparentemente m\u00e1is obxectivos, sesudos e complexos. Cando algu\u00e9n nos pregunta si isto ou aquilo g\u00fastanos, fano case sempre apelando aos nosos co\u00f1ecementos espec\u00edficos esperando unha resposta clara e de peso que sexa, generalmente, un aval do seu gusto. Esa resposta, que para outros \u00e9 tan sinxela, para n\u00f3s \u00e9, como dic\u00eda, cando menos inc\u00f3moda. O gusto \u00e9 o c\u00e1rcere da beleza, ou viceversa…<\/p>\n

Desde que Vitruvio inclu\u00edse a venustas<\/em> entre a tr\u00edada das virtudes e obrigaci\u00f3ns da arquitectura, Firmitas, Utilitas e Venustas<\/em>, (Firmeza, Utilidade e Beleza), no seu tratado De architectura<\/em> hall\u00e1 polo ano 15 a.c. e m\u00e1is tarde as escolas de Beaux Arts confirm\u00e1sena e ensin\u00e1sena, pasaron moitas cousas.Da beleza oc\u00fapase a est\u00e9tica, rama filos\u00f3fica escurridiza como a que m\u00e1is, e do gusto oc\u00fapase cada un, as\u00ed, directamente. E ambas son susceptibles de educaci\u00f3n. Unha parece tan obxectiva como a verdade absoluta coa que todos comparamos as nosas aseveraciones, a outra \u00e9 voluble e cambiante como \u00aba donna\u00bb do aria de Rigoletto. Os valores da beleza-gusto cambian tan r\u00e1pido como breves son os seus reinados, axi\u00f1a que se asumen, c\u00e1mbianse. O modelo s\u00e1case ao mercado, as\u00famese, v\u00e9ndese, e aprov\u00e9itase ata que se vulgariza pasando a canles de digesti\u00f3n m\u00e1is r\u00e1pidos ata que se acaban volvendo obsoletos e c\u00e1mbianse por outros. O proceso \u00e9 c\u00edclico e entrar no \u00e9 tan atractivo como banal. Os que levan tempo nisto s\u00e1beno. Nisto, como en case todo, a experiencia \u00e9 un grado, e iso v\u00e9n co tempo.<\/p>\n

Alg\u00fans opinar\u00e1n que o belo, ou o bonito, para abreviar, non \u00e9 o que buscan, par\u00e9celles superficial ou non lles interesa, pero non nos enganemos, iso son complexos, o belo agr\u00e1danos a todos. A procura da harmon\u00eda das proporci\u00f3ns, da composici\u00f3n equilibrada, a resoluci\u00f3n elegante dun proxecto e demais cousas inasibles pero perceptivas forman parte dos anhelos que est\u00e1n inherentes no noso traballo, consciente ou inconscientemente. Agora ben, recordemos que a procura do belo como obxectivo final deixa oca \u00e1 obra de arquitectura e o que \u00e9 peor, a condena a ter pronta data de caducidade.<\/p>\n

Nunha conferencia titulada \u00abThis busssines of Architecture\u00bb<\/em>[1]<\/sup><\/sup> Lou Kahn pronunciaba as seguintes verbas:<\/p>\n

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\u00abNa mi\u00f1a charla de hoxe, hai unha cousa que quero dicir canto antes. En certo sentido, cando digo que a arquitectura non ten necesariamente que ser bela, o que quero dicir \u00e9 que a formulaci\u00f3n para a resoluci\u00f3n dun problema non empeza coa beleza, coa consideraci\u00f3n do que pensamos \u00e9 belo. A cousa empeza con moitas m\u00e1is cuesti\u00f3ns; e si o resultado \u00e9 a beleza, bienvenida sexa; si o resultado \u00e9 feo pero leva dentro os elementos da arquitectura, a\u00ednda ten esperanzas de chegar a ser tam\u00e9n belo; mediante a s\u00faa aplicaci\u00f3n ou mediante a selecci\u00f3n, poder\u00eda chegar a ser belo. Pero non se pode empezar con esa idea de \u00abisto \u00e9 belo, logo ac\u00e9ptoo; isto non \u00e9 beleza e non o acepto; as\u00ed que proxectarei todos os meus edificios pensando en Mies\u00bb(\u2026).<\/em><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

Do belo p\u00f3dese acabar dicindo con Bernhard que:<\/p>\n

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\u00abMalia todo, non o comprendemos, entend\u00e9molo pero non o comprendemos..\u00bb[2]<\/sup><\/sup><\/em><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

jorge meijide . arquitecto<\/p>\n

a coru\u00f1a. setembr0 de 2012<\/p>\n

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Notas:<\/span><\/p>\n

[1] This Bussines of Architecture. The Student Publication of the School of Architecture of Tulane University, 1953. Extra\u00edda del libro Louis I. Kahn. Escritos, Conferencias y Entrevistas. Colecci\u00f3n Biblioteca de Arquitectura. El Croquis Editorial. 2003.<\/span><\/p>\n

[2] El malogrado, Thomas Bernhard, Alfaguara, 2011 (1983).<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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