{"id":19231,"date":"2016-09-12T00:30:44","date_gmt":"2016-09-11T22:30:44","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/?p=19231"},"modified":"2024-03-18T14:10:07","modified_gmt":"2024-03-18T13:10:07","slug":"otra-charla-de-oiza-mies-vs-aalto-jose-ramon-hernandez-correa","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/otra-charla-de-oiza-mies-vs-aalto-jose-ramon-hernandez-correa\/","title":{"rendered":"Otra charla de O\u00edza: Mies vs Aalto | Jos\u00e9 Ram\u00f3n Hern\u00e1ndez Correa"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><em>\u00abEste texto tiene el honor de haber sido calificado por una tuitera como \u00abel peor art\u00edculo de arquitectura de toda la historia\u00bb, lo cual tiene un innegable m\u00e9rito\u00bb.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Estoy nost\u00e1lgico con mis a\u00f1os de escuela y con las charlas de <a href=\"http:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/tag\/francisco-javier-saenz-de-oiza\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><strong>O\u00edza<\/strong><\/a>. Voy a tomar otra vez la m\u00e1quina del tiempo para evocar otra charla suya. Entre el cuatro de noviembre de 1982 y el nueve de enero de 1983 (esta vez lo s\u00e9 con exactitud porque conservo el cat\u00e1logo) hubo una estupenda exposici\u00f3n de <a href=\"http:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/tag\/alvar-aalto\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><strong>Alvar Aalto<\/strong><\/a> en el Museo de Arte Contempor\u00e1neo de Madrid (que estaba justo al lado de la Escuela de Arquitectura).<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Como la ten\u00edamos al lado (y la entrada era gratuita para nosotros) la vimos un mont\u00f3n de veces.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Uno de aquellos d\u00edas (no s\u00e9 si cerca de la inauguraci\u00f3n o de la clausura) S\u00e1enz de O\u00edza dio una conferencia. Habl\u00f3 como siempre, apasionadamente, poni\u00e9ndose las gafas ya sobre la frente ya en los ojos, gesticulando y alzando la voz. Si tantas veces nos pregunt\u00e1bamos para qu\u00e9 narices est\u00e1bamos estudiando esa est\u00fapida carrera (\u00e1lgebra, ampliaci\u00f3n de f\u00edsica, legal&#8230;) O\u00edza nos volv\u00eda a poner las pilas siempre.<\/p>\n<p>Aquel d\u00eda habl\u00f3 de Alvar Aalto como opuesto a <a href=\"http:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/tag\/mies-van-der-rohe\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><strong>Mies van der Rohe<\/strong>.<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Opuesto en el t\u00e9rmino del que acabamos hablando aqu\u00ed un d\u00eda s\u00ed y otro tambi\u00e9n: en la funcionalidad.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Para O\u00edza, Mies era un artista de la forma. Un hombre que hab\u00eda encontrado la forma perfecta y que a\u00fan la perfeccionaba y depuraba a cada paso.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Le pod\u00edan encargar una universidad, y la hac\u00eda (paralelep\u00edpedo de vidrio y acero).<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">As\u00ed se ve por fuera:<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_60209\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-60209\" style=\"width: 750px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-60209\" title=\"Otra charla de O\u00edza: Mies vs Aalto\" src=\"http:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/01\/Crown-Hall-Mies-van-der-Rohe-01.jpg\" alt=\"Crown Hall, Mies van der Rohe\" width=\"750\" height=\"473\" srcset=\"https:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/01\/Crown-Hall-Mies-van-der-Rohe-01.jpg 800w, https:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/01\/Crown-Hall-Mies-van-der-Rohe-01-300x189.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 750px) 100vw, 750px\" \/><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-60209\" class=\"wp-caption-text\"><span style=\"color: #999999;\">Crown Hall, Mies van der Rohe<\/span><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>Y as\u00ed por dentro:<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_60210\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-60210\" style=\"width: 750px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-60210\" title=\"Otra charla de O\u00edza: Mies vs Aalto\" src=\"https:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/01\/Crown-Hall-Mies-van-der-Rohe-02.jpg\" alt=\"Crown Hall, Mies van der Rohe\" width=\"750\" height=\"429\" srcset=\"https:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/01\/Crown-Hall-Mies-van-der-Rohe-02.jpg 650w, https:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/01\/Crown-Hall-Mies-van-der-Rohe-02-300x172.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 750px) 100vw, 750px\" \/><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-60210\" class=\"wp-caption-text\"><span style=\"color: #999999;\">Crown Hall, Mies van der Rohe<\/span><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Tambi\u00e9n pod\u00eda proyectar un gran teatro (paralelep\u00edpedo de vidrio y acero).<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">As\u00ed ser\u00eda por fuera:<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_19235\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-19235\" style=\"width: 750px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><a href=\"http:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/01\/miesmannheim.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-19235\" title=\"Otra charla de O\u00edza: Mies vs Aalto miesmannheim\" src=\"http:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/01\/miesmannheim.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"750\" height=\"291\" srcset=\"https:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/01\/miesmannheim.jpg 400w, https:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/01\/miesmannheim-300x116.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 750px) 100vw, 750px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-19235\" class=\"wp-caption-text\"><span style=\"color: #999999;\">Mies mannheim<\/span><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">No se construy\u00f3, pero podemos imaginarnos como ser\u00eda por dentro:<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_60211\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-60211\" style=\"width: 750px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-60211\" src=\"http:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/01\/mies-mannheim-2.jpg\" alt=\"Mies mannheim\" width=\"750\" height=\"557\" srcset=\"https:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/01\/mies-mannheim-2.jpg 405w, https:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/01\/mies-mannheim-2-300x223.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 750px) 100vw, 750px\" \/><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-60211\" class=\"wp-caption-text\"><span style=\"color: #999999;\">Mies mannheim<\/span><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>Otra imagen: Un <i>collage<\/i> de un proyecto de Concert Hall:<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_60212\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-60212\" style=\"width: 750px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-60212\" src=\"https:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/01\/mies-collage.jpg\" alt=\"mies-collage\" width=\"750\" height=\"351\" srcset=\"https:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/01\/mies-collage.jpg 630w, https:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/01\/mies-collage-300x140.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 750px) 100vw, 750px\" \/><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-60212\" class=\"wp-caption-text\"><span style=\"color: #999999;\">Mies, collage<\/span><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Y tambi\u00e9n proyectaba un museo (paralelep\u00edpedo de vidrio y acero).<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Vista exterior:<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_60213\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-60213\" style=\"width: 750px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-60213\" src=\"http:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/01\/mies-national-galery.jpg\" alt=\"National Galery\" width=\"750\" height=\"305\" srcset=\"https:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/01\/mies-national-galery.jpg 600w, https:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/01\/mies-national-galery-300x122.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 750px) 100vw, 750px\" \/><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-60213\" class=\"wp-caption-text\"><span style=\"color: #999999;\">National Galery<\/span><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>Y vista interior:<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_60214\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-60214\" style=\"width: 750px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-60214\" title=\"Otra charla de O\u00edza: Mies vs Aalto\" src=\"http:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/01\/mies-national.jpg\" alt=\"National Galery\" width=\"750\" height=\"498\" srcset=\"https:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/01\/mies-national.jpg 500w, https:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/01\/mies-national-300x199.jpg 300w, https:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/01\/mies-national-160x105.jpg 160w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 750px) 100vw, 750px\" \/><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-60214\" class=\"wp-caption-text\"><span style=\"color: #999999;\">National Galery<\/span><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Como veis, todo es parecido, y da igual que sea un auditorio, un museo, una universidad&#8230; o una vivienda. La forma es exquisita, la tensi\u00f3n dram\u00e1tica del silencio expresivo es inefable, la sensibilidad es sublime. Pero son siempre cajas de vidrio. En ellas se puede alojar un hospital o un cine. Con esfuerzo. Con mucho esfuerzo.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Dec\u00eda O\u00edza que Mies van der Rohe hac\u00eda auditorios antiac\u00fasticos. Con micr\u00f3fonos, altavoces, etc, y con todos los avances tecnol\u00f3gicos, se pod\u00eda conseguir que sonaran. Pero esa tecnolog\u00eda iba <i>a la contra<\/i> de la arquitectura, porque esa arquitectura iba <i>en contra<\/i> de la funci\u00f3n, a contrapelo.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Dec\u00eda que Mies van der Rohe hac\u00eda coches con ruedas cuadradas, o sin ruedas. Luego les pon\u00eda cohetes en el culo, que les hac\u00edan arrastrarse, que los llevaban hacia adelante aun a pesar suyo. Cohetes que hac\u00edan moverse a aquellos coches inm\u00f3viles y casi inamovibles.<\/p>\n<h5 style=\"text-align: justify;\">Me qued\u00e9 con esa idea: Mies hac\u00eda los m\u00e1s sublimes coches de ruedas cuadradas<\/h5>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Sin embargo, Alvar Aalto hac\u00eda coches de ruedas redondas. Un coche <i>se quiere<\/i> mover. Cuando se aparca hay que echar el freno de mano, meter la primera o la marcha atr\u00e1s para bloquearlo. Incluso orientar las ruedas delanteras hacia el bordillo de la acera, por si acaso, para que no salga corriendo. Porque el coche se va, se quiere ir, quiere rodar.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Si a los auditorios de Mies hay que llenarlos de micr\u00f3fonos, de altavoces, de falsos techos, etc, para que suenen, los de Aalto suenan solos.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Las formas de los edificios de Alvar Aalto <i>quieren<\/i> funcionar.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Una universidad:<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_60215\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-60215\" style=\"width: 750px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-60215\" src=\"https:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/01\/aalto-otaniemi.jpg\" alt=\"Universidad de Aalto Otaniemi\" width=\"750\" height=\"422\" srcset=\"https:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/01\/aalto-otaniemi.jpg 480w, https:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/01\/aalto-otaniemi-300x169.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 750px) 100vw, 750px\" \/><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-60215\" class=\"wp-caption-text\"><span style=\"color: #999999;\">Universidad de Aalto Otaniemi<\/span><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>Un teatro:<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_60216\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-60216\" style=\"width: 750px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-60216\" src=\"http:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/01\/Aalto-Theater_02.jpg\" alt=\"Aalto Theate\" width=\"750\" height=\"501\" srcset=\"https:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/01\/Aalto-Theater_02.jpg 630w, https:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/01\/Aalto-Theater_02-300x200.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 750px) 100vw, 750px\" \/><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-60216\" class=\"wp-caption-text\"><span style=\"color: #999999;\">Aalto Theate<\/span><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>Un museo:<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_60217\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-60217\" style=\"width: 750px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-60217\" title=\"Otra charla de O\u00edza: Mies vs Aalto\" src=\"https:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/01\/aalto-museum-2.jpg\" alt=\"Aalto museum\" width=\"750\" height=\"563\" srcset=\"https:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/01\/aalto-museum-2.jpg 380w, https:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/01\/aalto-museum-2-300x225.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 750px) 100vw, 750px\" \/><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-60217\" class=\"wp-caption-text\"><span style=\"color: #999999;\">Aalto museum<\/span><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>Otro museo:<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_60218\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-60218\" style=\"width: 750px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-60218\" title=\"Otra charla de O\u00edza: Mies vs Aalto\" src=\"http:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/01\/aalto-museum.jpg\" alt=\"Aalto museum\" width=\"750\" height=\"500\" srcset=\"https:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/01\/aalto-museum.jpg 600w, https:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/01\/aalto-museum-300x200.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 750px) 100vw, 750px\" \/><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-60218\" class=\"wp-caption-text\"><span style=\"color: #999999;\">Aalto museum<\/span><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>Y ya, para colmo y para terminar, una <a href=\"https:\/\/es.wikiarquitectura.com\/edificio\/capilla-memorial-robert-f-carr-de-st-salvador\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">iglesia <\/a>de Mies van der Rohe:<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_60219\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-60219\" style=\"width: 750px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-60219\" title=\"Otra charla de O\u00edza: Mies vs Aalto\" src=\"https:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/01\/mies-iglesia.jpg\" alt=\"Capilla Memorial Robert F. Carr de St. Salvador, Mies van der Rohe\" width=\"750\" height=\"563\" srcset=\"https:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/01\/mies-iglesia.jpg 590w, https:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/01\/mies-iglesia-300x225.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 750px) 100vw, 750px\" \/><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-60219\" class=\"wp-caption-text\"><span style=\"color: #999999;\">Capilla Memorial Robert F. Carr de St. Salvador, Mies van der Rohe<\/span><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Y una iglesia de Alvar Aalto:<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_60220\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-60220\" style=\"width: 750px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-60220\" title=\"Otra charla de O\u00edza: Mies vs Aalto\" src=\"http:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/01\/aalto-Iglesia-de-la-Riola.jpg\" alt=\"Iglesia de la Riola, AlvarAalto\" width=\"750\" height=\"500\" srcset=\"https:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/01\/aalto-Iglesia-de-la-Riola.jpg 630w, https:\/\/veredes.es\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/01\/aalto-Iglesia-de-la-Riola-300x200.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 750px) 100vw, 750px\" \/><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-60220\" class=\"wp-caption-text\"><span style=\"color: #999999;\">Iglesia de la Riola, AlvarAalto<\/span><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">En una primera lectura parecer\u00eda que tambi\u00e9n Dios est\u00e1 m\u00e1s a gusto en las iglesias de Aalto.<\/p>\n<p>Bueno, y aparte de lo que cont\u00f3 O\u00edza -o, mejor, a colaci\u00f3n de lo dicho por O\u00edza- yo concluir\u00eda que Alvar Aalto es uno de los arquitectos m\u00e1s agradables de la historia, uno de los primeros (por no decir el primero) de la segunda fila.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Pero el insufrible Mies van der Rohe es de la primera fila. \u00bfPor qu\u00e9? No lo s\u00e9. Se salta la funcionalidad a la torera, se obsesiona con las formas m\u00e1s simplonas, e insiste e insiste, y nunca est\u00e1 satisfecho con la extremada pureza que consigue. Mies solo hace iglesias.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Antes he mentido: En las iglesias de Aalto est\u00e1 Dios porque quiere estar con los hombres, y sabe que en ellas los hombres est\u00e1n a gusto. Sin embargo, en los edificios de Mies van der Rohe (y todos son iglesias) vive Dios, y a ellos se asoman los hombres, un poco asustados, un poco temerosos de la visi\u00f3n divina, un poco ansiosos por verle. Porque saben (porque sabemos) que est\u00e1 ah\u00ed.<\/p>\n<p>Jos\u00e9 Ram\u00f3n Hern\u00e1ndez Correa \u00b7 Doctor Arquitecto<br \/>\nToledo \u00b7 enero 2012<br \/>\n<span style=\"color: #999999;\"><em>Autor del blog arquitectamoslocos?<\/em><\/span><\/p>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>\u00abEste texto tiene el honor de haber sido calificado por una tuitera como \u00abel peor art\u00edculo de arquitectura de toda la historia\u00bb, lo cual tiene un innegable m\u00e9rito\u00bb. Estoy nost\u00e1lgico con mis a\u00f1os de escuela y con las charlas de O\u00edza. Voy a tomar otra vez la m\u00e1quina del tiempo para evocar otra charla suya. 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